Yes. I am hoping to be able to track down the tests for the UL
listing. That would explain a lot, I am sure.
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On 2/12/2016 10:07 AM, Brad Casterline wrote:
Ok, thanks.
It would be interesting to find out what Tyco used during the U.L. listing!
The last I downloaded was for attic heads (very interesting stuff) but that
was several years ago, and I looked for it again a few years ago but it had
become too proprietary if I remember right.
On Feb 12, 2016 10:47 AM, "Travis Mack, SET" <[email protected]> wrote:
Concealed combustible space less than 36" deep with slope less than 2:12.
Therefore, specially listed sprinklers are required per 8.15.1.6. Then,
you go to the datasheet and draft curtains required.
That requirement has been in the standard since 2002. It was further
clarified in the 2007 edition. I don't think it has changed since 2007.
The CC3 sprinklers are relatively new to get the 16' spacing. Used to be
max 12' spacing 144 sq ft with the Viking COIN and Tyco CC1/CC2.
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On 2/12/2016 9:40 AM, Brad Casterline wrote:
Good advice Travis, I'll try to start thinking for myself.
Why CC sprinklers though if this is your case?
Brad
On Feb 12, 2016 10:32 AM, "Travis Mack, SET" <[email protected]> wrote:
Think outside your bubble. Tyco CC3...16' max spacing...5.6k sprinkler...
Things are constantly evolving in this industry. You have to stay on the
edge to always keep up to date on available products. It can be a full
time job just doing that.
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On 2/12/2016 9:28 AM, Brad Casterline wrote:
I'm thinking very quick activation time, 10 x 10 max, min 10 psi on a 2.8
K, in a small volume--- I get visions not unlike what I imagine high
efficiency water mist systems might look like--
But I am not the mnf rep, pe, t.c. member or ahj--
B
On Feb 12, 2016 10:16 AM, "Travis Mack, SET" <[email protected]>
wrote:
The max application for CC3 is 60". However, it is not the height. It
is
the sheer number of them that are needed. Don't think single building.
Think apartment complex...multiple buildings / multiple floors.
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On 2/12/2016 8:57 AM, Brad Casterline wrote:
For crying out loud though, isn't the max 'ceiling height' for this
application THREE FEET?
On Feb 12, 2016 9:54 AM, "Travis Mack, SET" <[email protected]>
wrote:
You and I are on the same page. We were just hoping to get a
definitive
answer from the manufacturer.
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On 2/12/2016 8:53 AM, Ed Kramer wrote:
The AHJ is going to have to make the final call. My pay scale isn't
high
enough to make those types decisions, but if it were, I'd say no.
If
water
spray from the 1st sprinkler or 2 damages the insulation to allow
heat
to
flow past it, you've lost your heat barrier and the 1000 sf design
area
is
out-the-window.
Back to my regularly scheduled program.
Ed Kramer
Bamford Fire Sprinkler
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Subject: Re: Tyco CC sprinklers / draft curtain
That is what the contractor is arguing. The NFPA 13 definitions of
draft
curtains are in reference to separation of ESFR and SR, water spray
systems
and hazard separation.
It is an outside the box thinking for sure. As you say, if it is
stapled
to
the deck, that would prevent heat from passing through and over.
That
is
the only criteria in the datasheet.
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On 2/12/2016 8:19 AM, Matthew J Willis wrote:
LOL.
I say it does meet it.
Insulation by default blocks heat..
R/
Matt
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Well, the customer called Tyco and they could not say definitively
if
the
insulation would meet the requirements or not.
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On Feb 11, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Travis Mack, SET <[email protected]
wrote:
I have a customer that is asking if batt insulation can be secured
to
the
roof decking and used as a draft curtain for the Tyco CC
sprinklers. I
have
never seen an application such as this, but it doesn't seem to be
prohibited
in the datasheet. The only requirement is that it must be
constructed
of
a
material so that heat can not pass through or over.
What do you think? Could insulation secured to the roof/floor deck
serve
as a draft curtain for these sprinklers? My gut feeling is that it
would
not be suitable, but I can't find something in the data sheet to
support
that. My only thought is that activation of a sprinkler could
possibly
knock the insulation down.
--
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