"*The problem being that someone changed something in the code and they
"seemingly unintentionally" changed the definition (in loose terms) of a
wet system:*
from: a riser
to: a riser, and each floor with a floor controller. "

Never happened. Look at the definition of riser in 13. It still just says
"The VERTICAL" supply piping in a sprinkler system." (13:13-3.5.9) If you
look up the definition of sprinkler system in 13 you'll find floor control
valves still don't define a system.

*The actual problem being that someone that someone at NFSA interpreted
something to mean something when a zillion other references throughout the
book dispute that interpretation.* This thread seems to have become
FaceBookish wherein someone says a thing and because that someone is
perceived as an authority the comment the equivalent of a Supreme Court
decision. No matter how many bloggers keep telling me Obama is coming to
take my pistol I still seem to have it. Maybe he hasn't gotten to the NW
yet.

And Brad. If you've never read 25, but only 13A, do you even get an
opinion? I read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Mechanics and it didn't say a
damned thing about repairing motorcycles.

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 6:01 AM, Brad Casterline <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Thanks Joe, I appreciate you sharing your experience with NFPA 25.
>
> I've got my hands full trying to apply 13 right!
>
> Good luck- hopefully you will continue to get feedback from the heavy
> lifters.
>
>
>
> here is what I was looking for:
>
>
>
> "You do not do it for cpvc."
>
>
>
> Thanks again,
>
>
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected].
> org] *On Behalf Of *Jody Massey
> *Sent:* Friday, September 02, 2016 7:24 AM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: 5 year fire sprinkler Obstruction Assessment - What items
> in asystem define it as a separate wet pipe system?
>
>
>
> Brad,
>
> What I am now very clear on - is that I have stumbled into a hornets nest
> - with no hard answer.
>
>
>
> *The problem being that someone changed something in the code and they
> "seemingly unintentionally" changed the definition (in loose terms) of a
> wet system:*
>
> from: a riser
>
> to: a riser, and each floor with a floor controller.
>
>
>
> Just because there is a "seemingly unintentionally" change, does that mean
> we change how we do business - whatever the concequence?
>
>
>
> *This only effects every 5 year inspection for every large building in the
> USA. No big deal. *
>
>
>
> *Implication for obstruction assessment:*
>
>  X- story building with a three wet risers
>
> 1st scenario: look at 2 sprinkler heads
>
> 2nd scenarion: look at 3 sprinkler heads every 2 floors
>
>
>
> I am seeing people across the country "skipping" this part of the 5 year -
> and the AHJ not catching it - because it is costing in the neighborhood of
> $18k for a 5 year inspection because of misunderstanding.
>
>
>
> I do not have a problem with people spending money to keep the building
> safe, but there is another side to the coin.
>
>
>
> The commitee on the code (or wheover it is) debates each time on how often
> to open the system and look because when you do that, you introduce air.
> They are really worried about this and are trying to minimize this -
> because it can do more harm than good.
>
>
>
> If we look at a lot more heads just to meet the letter of the new
> "seemingly unintentional consequence of a code change" we:
>
>    1. get a better sample
>    2. charge the building alot more money
>    3. put the building at more risk
>    4. probably go against the intention of the people who write the code
>
> I dunno what to do... (insert head scratch here)
>
>
>
>
>
> And Brad - I am not a scholar on this stuff so I am probably wrong - but
> it is my understanding that you do this for all systems - not just wet. You
> look at *every* non-wet system plus *every other* wet system. The
> reasoning seems to be that dry systems will have a little water in there
> and lots of air which is a higher risk for growth. You do not do it for
> cpvc.  It just states you are looking for "The presence of sufficient
> foreign organic or inorganic material", if you find enough material, then
> you have a field day looking all over the building because you have entered
> the NFPA 25 14.3 zone.
>
>
>
> *- Joe*
>
> ᐧ
>
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