Brad, when the PV solar panel thing was going round and round I asked a simple question, what's the issue. Venting, the removal of heat and fire gases of course. So the solar panels are in the way, yes they are. So let's solve the problem, a) sprinkler the building so we wouldn't need to vent heat and fire gases, or b) provide a permanent method of ventilation...choose a solution. Making it more difficult and hazardous to the fire department is not the answer.
PS, how about an added incentive if you choose a) a property tax credit since you wouldnt be needing too much from the fire department, and lower premiums from your insurance company. As for the property tax issue, municipalities should be rewarding those that invest in safety, and surcharge those that dont. John Drucker Assistant Construction Official Fire Protection Subcode Official Electrical Subcode Official [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cell/Text 732-904-6823 Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote: Of course! (I didn't notice any, butt...) If I was put in charge of a 'life safety moon-shot temporary measure regarding converted warehouse only to live-work environments to prevent the next Ghostship catastrophe' it would not be anything anyone has mentiond yet- it would be cutting in rooftop smoke exhast fans. On Dec 11, 2016 12:03 PM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Welcome, please excuse the grammatical errors. John Drucker. Brad Casterline <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Thanks for your fair and balanced take on this John. Up until about four years ago I was a 'Pure Sprink', meaning when I first heard that Mr. Shirmer's testimony was that sprinklers would not have saved those lives I exclaimed, "that's ridiculous", even though that was the only thing I knew about it. But about half-way through several hundred hours of effort over the next two years I lost my sprinkler cheerleader virginity, but only to the point that I can stand behind my statements such as "...sprinklers alone...", and ..."can't do it all..." There is no doubt in my mind that the phenomenal success story of properly installed and maintained fire sprinkler systems is buoyed up by the fact that where we find those we probably find the other components of overall life safety, like number and width of exits, travel distances--- the technical aspects you mention. And Mr. Leyton, When I read your story about Chet's biggest regret I thought it is possible he regretted having testified at all, not what he testified to. That took some balls for a man in his position at the time. Brad On Dec 10, 2016 5:51 AM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Members, The Ghost Ship Fire situation appears to taking on the characteristics of most other civilian fire death fires. On the technical side, lack of means of egress, fire rated construction, active fire protection. On the administrative side, illegal use, inadequate oversight and inspection, a sympathetic culture towards the socioeconomic plight of starving artists. Based on the interviews appears as though city councilmembers knew it was there and dangerous. And so the stage was set. It was just matter if time before the "Ghost Ship" and it's name would join the Beverly Hills Supper Club, Coconut Grove, Iroquois Theatre, Station Night Club, Beachview Nursing Home, Epitome, and on and on. As with all the other loss of life incidents the common elements are the same eventually come into alignment and the uncontrolled chain reaction takes place. In the end the remaining common element will take its place, this too shall pass and the Ghost Ship will be forgotten by most. In closing its a matter of consensus, and like the residential fire sprinkler issue society appears to be willing to dispel the science and take a wait and see approach. It is unnecessary to relearn what we already know. We have the knowledge on how to prevent and protect against fires. We will all back at this same juncture soon enough, it's not a matter of if but when. Happy Holidays all, keep the faith. John Drucker Assistant Construction Official Fire Protection Subcode Official Electrical Subcode Official [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cell/Text 732-904-6823 _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
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