Beats me John. perhaps after Steve is finished helping his wife hang the new drapes he can enlighten us all.
All I know is I finally found the info I was most concerned about last Tuesday -- most of the autopsies were done and the cause of death was smoke inhalation (trapped on the second floor) -- a final small mercy as opposed to being burned alive-- not that I have experienced either one-- I'm just saying-- talking about killer smoke. On Dec 11, 2016 1:17 PM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]> wrote: > Brad, when the PV solar panel thing was going round and round I asked a > simple question, what's the issue. Venting, the removal of heat and fire > gases of course. So the solar panels are in the way, yes they are. So let's > solve the problem, a) sprinkler the building so we wouldn't need to vent > heat and fire gases, or b) provide a permanent method of > ventilation...choose a solution. Making it more difficult and hazardous to > the fire department is not the answer. > > PS, how about an added incentive if you choose a) a property tax credit > since you wouldnt be needing too much from the fire department, and lower > premiums from your insurance company. As for the property tax issue, > municipalities should be rewarding those that invest in safety, and > surcharge those that dont. > > > > John Drucker > Assistant Construction Official > Fire Protection Subcode Official > Electrical Subcode Official > [email protected] > Cell/Text 732-904-6823 <(732)%20904-6823> > > > Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote: > > Of course! (I didn't notice any, butt...) > > If I was put in charge of a 'life safety moon-shot temporary measure > regarding converted warehouse only to live-work environments to prevent the > next Ghostship catastrophe' it would not be anything anyone has mentiond > yet- it would be cutting in rooftop smoke exhast fans. > On Dec 11, 2016 12:03 PM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Welcome, please excuse the grammatical errors. >> >> John Drucker. >> >> >> Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thanks for your fair and balanced take on this John. >> Up until about four years ago I was a 'Pure Sprink', meaning when I first >> heard that Mr. Shirmer's testimony was that sprinklers would not have saved >> those lives I exclaimed, "that's ridiculous", even though that was the only >> thing I knew about it. >> But about half-way through several hundred hours of effort over the next >> two years I lost my sprinkler cheerleader virginity, but only to the point >> that I can stand behind my statements such as "...sprinklers alone...", and >> ..."can't do it all..." >> There is no doubt in my mind that the phenomenal success story of >> properly installed and maintained fire sprinkler systems is buoyed up by >> the fact that where we find those we probably find the other components of >> overall life safety, like number and width of exits, travel distances--- >> the technical aspects you mention. >> >> And Mr. Leyton, >> When I read your story about Chet's biggest regret I thought it is >> possible he regretted having testified at all, not what he testified to. >> That took some balls for a man in his position at the time. >> >> Brad >> On Dec 10, 2016 5:51 AM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Members, >>> >>> The Ghost Ship Fire situation appears to taking on the characteristics >>> of most other civilian fire death fires. On the technical side, lack of >>> means of egress, fire rated construction, active fire protection. On the >>> administrative side, illegal use, inadequate oversight and inspection, a >>> sympathetic culture towards the socioeconomic plight of starving artists. >>> >>> Based on the interviews appears as though city councilmembers knew it >>> was there and dangerous. And so the stage was set. It was just matter if >>> time before the "Ghost Ship" and it's name would join the Beverly Hills >>> Supper Club, Coconut Grove, Iroquois Theatre, Station Night Club, Beachview >>> Nursing Home, Epitome, and on and on. >>> >>> As with all the other loss of life incidents the common elements are the >>> same eventually come into alignment and the uncontrolled chain reaction >>> takes place. In the end the remaining common element will take its place, >>> this too shall pass and the Ghost Ship will be forgotten by most. >>> >>> In closing its a matter of consensus, and like the residential fire >>> sprinkler issue society appears to be willing to dispel the science and >>> take a wait and see approach. It is unnecessary to relearn what we already >>> know. We have the knowledge on how to prevent and protect against fires. We >>> will all back at this same juncture soon enough, it's not a matter of if >>> but when. >>> >>> Happy Holidays all, keep the faith. >>> >>> John Drucker >>> Assistant Construction Official >>> Fire Protection Subcode Official >>> Electrical Subcode Official >>> [email protected] >>> Cell/Text 732-904-6823 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-f >>> iresprinkler.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum- >> firesprinkler.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > >
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