No problem Steve. In fact it was the thread where George made his last comments-- someone- maybe Ron asked where you were-- you piped in and said you had been busy helping your wife hang new drapes, and remarked how it might be the most (something) thread of all times. As it was my thread, as this one is yours, I took it as the nicest thing you have ever said about me. I called it 'Adjusting the K-Factor with our bare hands'.
Smoke kills people in buildings, and smoke is produced until completely extinguished. The higher the ceiling the longer that goes on. And when the exit path is stairs, and those stairs are also wood pallet storage, the life safety aspect gets iffy-- that's all I'm thinking here-- probability. Sorry to hear you are single now-- join the club... I used to have a little pride but my second divorce cured me of that. Brad C On Dec 11, 2016 4:57 PM, "Steve Leyton" <[email protected]> wrote: > Interesting comment Brad, but I have to admit that that I'm not sure how > it's connected to this thread. I am neither married nor do I have drapes in > my house; all my windows are covered with blinds. Perhaps you could > explain, for the benefit of myself and everyone else on the thread what you > meant by that. > > Once you cobble that together (take all the time you need, by the way), > perhaps you could explain how sprinklers would not have enhanced tenability > in a Type 5 building with a 20-foot high ceiling and a fire load composed > mostly of wood and textiles. > > Steve > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Brad Casterline <[email protected]> > Date: 12/11/16 11:52 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Ghostship Fire > > Beats me John. > perhaps after Steve is finished helping his wife hang the new drapes he > can enlighten us all. > > All I know is I finally found the info I was most concerned about last > Tuesday -- most of the autopsies were done and the cause of death was smoke > inhalation (trapped on the second floor) -- a final small mercy as opposed > to being burned alive-- not that I have experienced either one-- I'm just > saying-- talking about killer smoke. > On Dec 11, 2016 1:17 PM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Brad, when the PV solar panel thing was going round and round I asked a >> simple question, what's the issue. Venting, the removal of heat and fire >> gases of course. So the solar panels are in the way, yes they are. So let's >> solve the problem, a) sprinkler the building so we wouldn't need to vent >> heat and fire gases, or b) provide a permanent method of >> ventilation...choose a solution. Making it more difficult and hazardous to >> the fire department is not the answer. >> >> PS, how about an added incentive if you choose a) a property tax credit >> since you wouldnt be needing too much from the fire department, and lower >> premiums from your insurance company. As for the property tax issue, >> municipalities should be rewarding those that invest in safety, and >> surcharge those that dont. >> >> >> >> John Drucker >> Assistant Construction Official >> Fire Protection Subcode Official >> Electrical Subcode Official >> [email protected] >> Cell/Text 732-904-6823 <(732)%20904-6823> >> >> >> Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Of course! (I didn't notice any, butt...) >> >> If I was put in charge of a 'life safety moon-shot temporary measure >> regarding converted warehouse only to live-work environments to prevent the >> next Ghostship catastrophe' it would not be anything anyone has mentiond >> yet- it would be cutting in rooftop smoke exhast fans. >> On Dec 11, 2016 12:03 PM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Welcome, please excuse the grammatical errors. >>> >>> John Drucker. >>> >>> >>> Brad Casterline <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for your fair and balanced take on this John. >>> Up until about four years ago I was a 'Pure Sprink', meaning when I >>> first heard that Mr. Shirmer's testimony was that sprinklers would not have >>> saved those lives I exclaimed, "that's ridiculous", even though that was >>> the only thing I knew about it. >>> But about half-way through several hundred hours of effort over the next >>> two years I lost my sprinkler cheerleader virginity, but only to the point >>> that I can stand behind my statements such as "...sprinklers alone...", and >>> ..."can't do it all..." >>> There is no doubt in my mind that the phenomenal success story of >>> properly installed and maintained fire sprinkler systems is buoyed up by >>> the fact that where we find those we probably find the other components of >>> overall life safety, like number and width of exits, travel distances--- >>> the technical aspects you mention. >>> >>> And Mr. Leyton, >>> When I read your story about Chet's biggest regret I thought it is >>> possible he regretted having testified at all, not what he testified to. >>> That took some balls for a man in his position at the time. >>> >>> Brad >>> On Dec 10, 2016 5:51 AM, "John Drucker" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Members, >>>> >>>> The Ghost Ship Fire situation appears to taking on the characteristics >>>> of most other civilian fire death fires. On the technical side, lack of >>>> means of egress, fire rated construction, active fire protection. On the >>>> administrative side, illegal use, inadequate oversight and inspection, a >>>> sympathetic culture towards the socioeconomic plight of starving artists. >>>> >>>> Based on the interviews appears as though city councilmembers knew it >>>> was there and dangerous. And so the stage was set. It was just matter if >>>> time before the "Ghost Ship" and it's name would join the Beverly Hills >>>> Supper Club, Coconut Grove, Iroquois Theatre, Station Night Club, Beachview >>>> Nursing Home, Epitome, and on and on. >>>> >>>> As with all the other loss of life incidents the common elements are >>>> the same eventually come into alignment and the uncontrolled chain reaction >>>> takes place. In the end the remaining common element will take its place, >>>> this too shall pass and the Ghost Ship will be forgotten by most. >>>> >>>> In closing its a matter of consensus, and like the residential fire >>>> sprinkler issue society appears to be willing to dispel the science and >>>> take a wait and see approach. It is unnecessary to relearn what we already >>>> know. We have the knowledge on how to prevent and protect against fires. We >>>> will all back at this same juncture soon enough, it's not a matter of if >>>> but when. >>>> >>>> Happy Holidays all, keep the faith. >>>> >>>> John Drucker >>>> Assistant Construction Official >>>> Fire Protection Subcode Official >>>> Electrical Subcode Official >>>> [email protected] >>>> Cell/Text 732-904-6823 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-f >>>> iresprinkler.org >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-f >>> iresprinkler.org >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum- >> firesprinkler.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > >
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