Steve I agree. What we see is that eventually they upset the wrong developer with friends in high places. Pete
Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com<http://www.waynefire.com/> [cid:[email protected]] I sleep in a sprinklered home, do you? From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 11:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: special inspections To the AHJ’s comment that you’ll do it his way or else, I would offer (and I disclaim this opinion as even remotely expert with regard to the laws in other states) that the AHJ is wrong if the implication is that he or she can just arbitrarily throw out requirements as it suits them. Codes are adopted by states and imposed by a code of regulations. These codes are used by municipalities on a statutory basis, so amending them or creating more restrictive policies requires an ordinance. If the city doesn’t have a published policy for this special inspection or any of these other practices, I would proffer that it’s not legal in that city for them to drop the hammer without due process. They need to publish at least a policy bulletin (that precedes the date of your submittal) with these requirements in order to ordain them. You can appeal this to the fire chief, senior building official, city manager or mayor’s office (depending on form of government) and you might very well win. But of course you’ll have started a war that we all find that we end up losing ... MY OPINION ONLY, Steve L. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:25 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: special inspections Sorry I don't have one. This has never been required. The city form we were instructed to use has nothing about this either. This ahj has not done this in the past. He also had some other comments that were unusual. When we called about these, his answer was "I'm the ahj. I require it my way. You will comply or no permit." At that point you know you are going to lose every battle. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow" us on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692<https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692> Send large files to MFP Design via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign> Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2017, at 5:47 AM, Triolo, Joe <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I think it’s a good idea, Travis do you have a copy you could send me? Thanks Joe Triolo From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pete Schwab Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 8:32 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: RE: special inspections Travis I wish more AHJ’s would require this. Then we might see GC’s opt to go with Interstitial Sprinklers instead. Pete Peter Schwab VP of Purchasing and Engineering technologies Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers Inc. 222 Capitol Court Ocoee, Fl 34761 Mobile: (407) 468-8248 Direct: (407) 877-5570 Fax: (407) 656-8026 www.waynefire.com<http://www.waynefire.com/> <image001.jpg> I sleep in a sprinklered home, do you? From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 5:09 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: special inspections Has anyone run into a case where the AHJ requires a special inspection form filled for when the interstitial space is filled entirely with non-combustible insulation? It is fairly common in this area for Type V construction multi-family projects to have the interstitial spaces, and sometimes flat attic spaces, to be filled entirely with non-combustible insulation in lieu of providing fire sprinklers in the area. However, we have one local AHJ that is mandating this is a condition that requires a special inspection form. It's a done deal because he flat out stated that it is our way and this is how it will be. I just wonder if anyone else has run into this. We are in the process of investigating what all is required. It seems that we will need a professional engineer to go out and sign off that all insulation is filling the cavity entirely. -- Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107 email:[email protected]<mailto:email:[email protected]> http://www.mfpdesign.com<http://www.mfpdesign.com> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692<https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692> Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign<https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack<https://www.linkedin.com/in/travismack> ________________________________ [http://static.avast.com/emails/avg-mail-stamp.png]<http://www.avg.com/internet-security> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/internet-security> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org<http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org>
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