I'm always thinking about all the bright young people getting into
fire protection these days Steve. Most of what I post is an effort to
arouse their curiosity and to assure them that, for their entire
career, Fire Protection has nowhere to go but up.
Brad
Quoting Steve Leyton <[email protected]>:
That might be nice. Of course, since we've been using L and S
(that's what the "other one" is) for literally dozens of years, and
there doesn't seem to be a groundswell of protest in our
professional community, why change it? Priority 1 question in
code development: What are we fixing? If you think it would be
"nice", write a PI and send it in.
SL
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For spacing it would be nice if instead of "L" and whatever that other
one is and words like perpendicular we used x-y coordinates.
Deflector distance could be z...
It's a 3D world afterall.
Brad
Quoting JD Gamble <[email protected]>:
This was actually my mindset. And perhaps misplaced concern. Do I
have to match surrounding sprinklers to accommodate a door? Maybe
I’m overthinking it?
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Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 9:04:10 AM
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Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Staggering ESFR
Maybe not the same scenario as the OP, but related: What about
8.12.2.2.3 (2)? It says:
“Adjacent branch lines shall maintain the same pattern”
Might not apply here since it only applies if you are deviating from
the maximum spacing to eliminate an obstruction, but what is the
intent/purpose behind it?
-Kyle M
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Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2018 7:43 AM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Staggering ESFR
It’s been done forever with spray sprinklers and we’ve recommended
it many times as an effort to reach the 8 ft separation.
Unfortunately, the only guidance we have is in 8.5.2 Protection
Areas per Sprinkler. The problem is that L dimension is defined as
the PERPENDICULAR distance to the SPRINKLER on the adjacent branch
line. I tried to correct this and the TC didn’t like saying the
perpendicular distance to the adjacent branch line. I don't remember
the exact excuse but they are slow about accepting change to their
text. Since not all systems are laid out in perfect symmetry (AND
NOT REQUIRED TO BE), this philosophy is not intended to negate
staggering the layout.
Roland
Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering
American Fire Sprinkler Assn.
Dallas, TX
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On Jun 19, 2018, at 3:26 PM, JD Gamble
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I need to move a row of ESFR to make room for a door that the ARCH
is adamant about keeping. Can I stagger the spacing (space them at
8’-0” in lieu of the current 10’-0”) on the one line effected as
long as I don’t exceed the maximum or minimum spacing of the
sprinklers? Do I have to match that spacing / layout with the other
lines?
Just double checking myself.
TIA
Life Safety Solutions of Sheridan
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