Jerry, it should go without saying but I'll say it anyway-- If Roland says the intent of the Standard is that the soffit goes the full length of the cabinets then of course it should, so your first instinct was correct.
Roland's response to an activation question here years ago is what got me started on the road to being able say I know what I'm talking about (Steve). In fact it led to this Forum post with a link to a you tube video called 'heat collector vs heat director' (Travis): https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg38124.html (In the Temperature frames I forgot to LOAD the particles for display at activation, but if you zoom in just right you can see the bulb disappear). Also Steve, I had to accept a long time ago I was too unconfident, undependable, inconsistent, and slow thinking to make a good voting member of any TC, ever!! (I use this Forum for my Public Input because I am not afraid of being wrong or admitting how much I don’t know). Brad -----Original Message----- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 7:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Sidewalls in Partial Soffits Activation is my forte Steve, I know what I'm talking about. Brad Quoting Steve Leyton <[email protected]>: > I'll bet the "standard" is quaking in its boots. > > What, exactly, do you find lacking or out of place about this > standard you vaguely refer to? That it doesn't make provisions for > these types of obstructions to sprinkler discharge (which baffles and > so-called heat collectors most certainly are) or that it doesn't a > prescription for how to install objects that have been proven to delay > the operation of sprinklers? > > For all the pseudo-combative comments you make about these > "standards", I have to wonder: have you ever made a proposal or a > public input? Ever applied to join a technical committee? Ever in > any fashion offered to work in any capacity as part of a solution to > some perceived problem with the standards? > > Assuming your answers to the preceding are no, no and no and seeing > that you're "ready to rumble", now's a great time to dive in ... > > Steve L. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2018 4:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Sidewalls in Partial Soffits > > I've never been so ready to rumble Travis, especially with a "standard". > > Brad > > Quoting Travis Mack <[email protected]>: > >> You can feel free to put your liability and career on the line for >> something like that. I don’t think it is supported in any code or >> standard. If I were doing the project in question I would say no. >> >> However some one could prove it wrong with a code or standard reference. >> >> Travis Mack, SET >> MFP Design, LLC >> "Follow" us on Facebook: >> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >> Send large files to MFP Design via: >> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 3:14 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> I agree "heat collectors" are useless for pendents Travis. >>> I think this is because they were installed horizontal. If they were >>> installed vertical, they would be "heat directors", causing the >>> ceiling jet to dip down and pop the head. That's what we have here. >>> >>> Brad >>> >>> Quoting Travis Mack <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> This seems like no different than a “heat collector” for pendents. >>>> Which we all know those are useless. >>>> >>>> Travis Mack, SET >>>> MFP Design, LLC >>>> "Follow" us on Facebook: >>>> https://www.facebook.com/pages/MFP-Design-LLC/92218417692 >>>> Send large files to MFP Design via: >>>> https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jul 5, 2018, at 2:46 PM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Great point about what's not in the code Jerry- I see only WIDTH >>>>> verbiage - nothing about length! >>>>> >>>>> Your AHJ mileage may vary. >>>>> >>>>> Brad >>>>> >>>>> Quoting Jerry Van Kolken <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> I have soffits over cabinets. The GC is asking if they can do a >>>>>> partial soffit just at the sidewall location to pop over the >>>>>> cabinet instead of the entire cabinet length. Logically I'm >>>>>> thinking this is a no, but not sure I have any code verbiage to >>>>>> indicate either way. Is there a reference I can look at. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This is project is turning into a really look at the code, or >>>>>> more what's not stated in the code. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry Van Kolken >>>>>> >>>>>> Millennium Fire Protection Corp. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2950 San Luis Rey Rd. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oceanside, CA 92058 >>>>>> >>>>>> (760) 722-2722 FX 722-2730 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firespr >>>>> inkler.org >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprin >>> kler.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
