You're going to have to get your ammo, your formal interpretations and get an audience with the little princess's boss - the king.
<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:46 PM Rod DiBona via Sprinklerforum < [email protected]> wrote: > Maybe look at the contract for dispute resolution. Hopefully push past the > GC to the owner for their decision before it goes to mediation etc. Check > the contract that the GC has with the owner that the sprinkler sub is > likely tied to. May be a case where this tie helps. At the end of the day > the owner pays the bill. Would help to understand the GC’s contract. Is it > a firm fixed? GC plus fee? How is the contingency money handled? Split with > the GC? 100% back to owner. I would know these things before going this > route. Good luck, this clearly isn’t right. > > > > > > *Rod DiBona* > > *Chief Operating Officer* > > *R.F.P.G* > > *Rapid Fire Protection Group* > > *1530 Samco Road* > > *Rapid City, SD 57702* > > *Office-605-348-2342* > > *Cell- 605-391-3553* > > *www.rapidfireinc.com <http://www.rapidfireinc.com/> * > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:36 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <[email protected]>; 'Matt > Grise' <[email protected]>; 'Rocci 3 Cetani' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > *Seems like we have an AHJ not backing down. We had the reviewing engineer > for the sprinkler plans write a letter stating that the criteria is in > compliance with NFPA and that limited quantities of combustibles are > permitted above the ceiling and still classify it as non-combustible. This > is data cabling and waste vent piping that the inspector is drawing a line > in the sand to provide protection above the ceilings of a large high > school. I have been working getting informal interpretations from various > entities to support our position.* > > > > *GC is telling sprinkler contractor it was design build so no change > order. But, specs say to put sprinklers above ceiling if structure is > combustible or if steel beams are not fire proofed. In this project, the > steel beams are fire proofed. The contract “intent” drawings call out to > add sprinklers below stairs if combustible but no where else in the > project. There is nothing to indicate sprinklers would be required above > the ceilings. A similar school built the next jurisdiction over does not > have sprinklers above the ceiling. I have been told other projects in this > jurisdiction have the same construction and same situation with no > sprinklers above the ceiling. One of them referenced is a hospital. I’m > sure the data cabling in a hospital is far greater than a high school.* > > > > *This one is going to get interesting. And probably pretty ugly.* > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:55 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <[email protected]>; 'Matt > Grise' <[email protected]>; 'Rocci 3 Cetani' <[email protected]> > *Subject:* RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > *Yeah. That is the conundrum we are in. * > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Rocci 3 Cetani via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:55 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Rocci 3 Cetani <[email protected]>; Matt Grise <[email protected] > > > *Subject:* RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > Only problem is its vague and I think the committee did that on purpose. > “minor quantities” is up for too much interpretation > > > > *Rocci Cetani III, **CET* > > *Senior Designer* > > *Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III* > > > > *Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc.* > > 16840 Joleen Way Bldg. A > > Morgan Hill, CA 93037 > > P-(408) 776-1580 EXT.1010 > > F-(408) 776-1590 > > > > > > [email protected] > > www.norcalfire.com > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any document accompanying it may > contain confidential information > > belonging to the sender. 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If you have received this transmission in error, please > immediately notify us by telephone to arrange for return of the documents. > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:52 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Matt Grise <[email protected]> > *Subject:* RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > The NFPA13 annex and handbook address this directly. > > > > NFPA 13 A8.15.1.2.1 “minor quantities of combustible materials such as but > not limited to cabling, nonmetallic plumbing piping… …should not typically > be viewed as requiring sprinklers.” > > > > Matt > > > > > > *From:* Sprinklerforum <[email protected]> *On > Behalf Of *Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:39 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <[email protected]> > *Subject:* I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > We have a fairly good sized school project. 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