Is the data cable rated?
> > On May 21, 2020 at 11:44 AM, <John Drucker via Sprinklerforum > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org)> wrote: > > > > > > > Or as in many jurisdictions, file an appeal. > > > > > > John Drucker > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> on > behalf of Travis Mack via Sprinklerforum > <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 09:01 > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Cc: Travis Mack; Mitchell, Scott > Subject: Re: [External] Re: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > That is processing 👍🏼 > > > > Travis Mack, SET > > Engineering Manager > > MFP Design > > tm...@mfpdesign.com > > travis.m...@ferguson.com > > 480-505-9271 x700 > > NEW MOBILE : (480) 272-2471 > > > > Send large files to us via: https://www.hightail.com/u/MFPDesign > (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hightail.com%2Fu%2FMFPDesign&data=02%7C01%7C%7C1121d49f9e6b4cf248f108d4df580e77%7C14e5497c16da42e69ffa77d19bafe511%7C0%7C0%7C636379016677342180&sdata=eGdMZGu2wXhUupGwgGTrqF3b54OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D&reserved=0) > > > > > > > > > On May 21, 2020, at 6:00 AM, Mitchell, Scott via Sprinklerforum > > <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> wrote: > > > > > > >  > > > > > > You might try an informal interpretation from John August Denhart and > > company. J > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott Mitchell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> > > On Behalf Of J H via Sprinklerforum > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 11:43 PM > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > Cc: J H <design.azfire...@gmail.com> > > Subject: [External] Re: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're going to have to get your ammo, your formal interpretations and get > > an audience with the little princess's boss - the king > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > (https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:46 PM Rod DiBona via Sprinklerforum > > <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org)> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe look at the contract for dispute resolution. Hopefully push past > > > the GC to the owner for their decision before it goes to mediation > > > etc. Check the contract that the GC has with the owner that the sprinkler > > > sub is likely tied to. May be a case where this tie helps. At the end of > > > the day the owner pays the bill. Would help to understand the GC’s > > > contract. Is it a firm fixed? GC plus fee? How is the contingency money > > > handled? Split with the GC? 100% back to owner. I would know these things > > > before going this route. Good luck, this clearly isn’t right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rod DiBona > > > > > > > > > > > > Chief Operating Officer > > > > > > > > > > > > R.F.P.G > > > > > > > > > > > > Rapid Fire Protection Group > > > > > > > > > > > > 1530 Samco Road > > > > > > > > > > > > Rapid City, SD 57702 > > > > > > > > > > > > Office-605-348-2342 > > > > > > > > > > > > Cell- 605-391-3553 > > > > > > > > > > > > www.rapidfireinc.com (http://www.rapidfireinc.com/) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@listsfiresprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org)> On Behalf Of > > > Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:36 PM > > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org) > > > Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <tm...@mfpdesign.com > > > (mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com)>; 'Matt Grise' <m...@afpsprink.com > > > (mailto:m...@afpsprink.com)>; 'Rocci 3 Cetani' <roc...@norcalfire.com > > > (mailto:roc...@norcalfire.com)> > > > Subject: RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seems like we have an AHJ not backing down. We had the reviewing > > > engineer for the sprinkler plans write a letter stating that the criteria > > > is in compliance with NFPA and that limited quantities of combustibles > > > are permitted above the ceiling and still classify it as non-combustible. > > > This is data cabling and waste vent piping that the inspector is > > > drawing a line in the sand to provide protection above the ceilings of a > > > large high school. I have been working getting informal > > > interpretations from various entities to support our position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GC is telling sprinkler contractor it was design build so no change > > > order. But, specs say to put sprinklers above ceiling if structure is > > > combustible or if steel beams are not fire proofed. In this project, > > > the steel beams are fire proofed. The contract “intent” drawings call > > > out to add sprinklers below stairs if combustible but no where else in > > > the project. There is nothing to indicate sprinklers would be required > > > above the ceilings. A similar school built the next jurisdiction over > > > does not have sprinklers above the ceiling. I have been told other > > > projects in this jurisdiction have the same construction and same > > > situation with no sprinklers above the ceiling. One of them referenced > > > is a hospital. I’m sure the data cabling in a hospital is far greater > > > than a high school. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This one is going to get interesting. And probably pretty ugly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@listsfiresprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org)> On Behalf Of > > > Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:55 PM > > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org) > > > Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <tm...@mfpdesign.com > > > (mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com)>; 'Matt Grise' <m...@afpsprink.com > > > (mailto:m...@afpsprink.com)>; 'Rocci 3 Cetani' <roc...@norcalfire.com > > > (mailto:roc...@norcalfire.com)> > > > Subject: RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. That is the conundrum we are in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@listsfiresprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org)> On Behalf Of > > > Rocci 3 Cetani via Sprinklerforum > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:55 PM > > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org) > > > Cc: Rocci 3 Cetani <roc...@norcalfire.com > > > (mailto:roc...@norcalfire.com)>; Matt Grise <m...@afpsprink.com > > > (mailto:m...@afpsprink.com)> > > > Subject: RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only problem is its vague and I think the committee did that on purpose. > > > “minor quantities” is up for too much interpretation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rocci Cetani III, CET > > > > > > > > > > > > Senior Designer > > > > > > > > > > > > Water-Based Fire Protections Systems Layout, Nicet Level III > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Northern California Fire Protection Services Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > 16840 Joleen Way Bldg. 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If you have received this transmission in error, > > > please immediately notify us by telephone to arrange for return of the > > > documents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@listsfiresprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org)> On Behalf Of > > > Matt Grise via Sprinklerforum > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:52 PM > > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org) > > > Cc: Matt Grise <m...@afpsprink.com (mailto:m...@afpsprink.com)> > > > Subject: RE: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The NFPA13 annex and handbook address this directly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NFPA 13 A8.15.1.2.1 “minor quantities of combustible materials such as > > > but not limited to cabling, nonmetallic plumbing piping… …should not > > > typically be viewed as requiring sprinklers.” > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@listsfiresprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org)> On Behalf Of > > > Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 4:39 PM > > > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > > > (mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org) > > > Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G <tm...@mfpdesign.com > > > (mailto:tm...@mfpdesign.com)> > > > Subject: I-B construction - ABS plumbing piping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have a fairly good sized school project. Plumber ran ABS drain piping. > > > Electrician has some cabling not in conduit. Inspector is stating > > > the space is now combustible and requires sprinklers above all ceiling > > > areas. Has anyone run into this and how was it resolved? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Drawings and specs do not indicate sprinklers required above ceiling > > > spaces. 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