No, I do not have time for reading all kinds of links.Bernie Cosell wrote:
Note two things: first the verbiage about the 'teleconferencing' stuff has been removed [NB: I don't believe this is just an oversight, but rather because of a general feeling that "reply-to-list" is not such a good thing, as has been beaten to death here and elsewhere]. Second, in the use of reply-to the operative verb is "suggests", which clearly implies that mail clients that permit reply-addressing options *beyond* just "send it where the reply-to says" are proper and expected.What do you mean with "beaten to death elsewhere" and "general feeling"?.
As I said, it is a *LONGSTANDING* debate that has been discussed for *YEARS* (decades!) off and on, here and there. And as I said, the general way it works out is that newcomers to the Internet usually like "reply-to-list" while the folks with more experience generally prefer "don't mess with the reply-to". [and so there's a sort-of-common progression: the folk arguing for reply-to-list two years ago are now more impassive about it, while the folk that were arguing for reply-to-
list five years ago generally realize that the prevailing wisdom on it was probably correct]
It isn't a slam-dunk, black-and-white issue, of course -- there ARE arguments to be made on both sides [and they ARE made, over and over and over], but overall the general-wisdom on this is to leave the reply-to alone.
Did you follow the URL in my post?
<http://www.halisp.net/halisp/reply-to-harmful.html>
I am just trying to comfort people which are using very regular MUA's (emailclients), and which are interested in SQLite and maybe less in all kind of longstanding debates only interesting for grey haired oldies which call everybody who is using the Internet less then ten years a newcomer.
(by the way, it were the same oldies, which invented the Reply-To header, they are to blame that most emailclients act this way, it is too late to change that, the oldies do not write popular emailclients anymore, they cannot stand that they did loose control)
I do not want to spent my energy in debates which do not have an outcome for many many years, life is to beautiful for that.
Just add the reply-to header and then use all the headers you want to. that is my advice, maybe we should vote about that.
But maybe it isn't worth the energy of a vote, it is childish, "excus�z le mot"
I thought, this mailing list was about SQLite and communicating about it.
This discussion about longlasting debates is really not very interesting to me, nor to most people, most people want to have easy acces to a mailinglist, and it is really annoying when you have to do extra work.
OK, let's vote, there is no other way.
This vote is only about adding one more emailheader (Reply-To), which was there before. All the other headers may stay exact as the are.
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Who wants a "Reply-To" header added to the SQLite mails. This means that regular emailclients (Outlook, Mutt, Mozilla, Pegasus, and more) automatically fill in the address of the mailinglist when you hit reply.
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Who does not want the "Reply_To" header, this means that regular emailclients as mentioned above do not automatically fill in the mailinglist-address when you hit reply, but the address of the orginal sender of the mail. This also means that there will be a lot of CC's because people will forget to remove the orginal sender when they want to reply to the mailing list, because peolpe are going to hit the Reply To All button or how ever that may be called in several emailclients.
Or they forget to send there interesting answers to the list, because they just hit reply instead of reply to all
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I guess that Bernie and Mrs Brisby and myself don't need to vote because everyone knows our opinions.
Kind regards Bert Verhees
And did you notice the date on it -- *1996*. And it was an old/tired issue *THEN*. *That's* what I meant by longstanding.
And read the "Addendum":
In case you are wondering, yes, I once thought Reply-To munging was a
nifty idea. I got better though.
Notice the progression: just as I mentioned in my paragraph above... it isn't unusual to start generally thinking "Reply-To munging was a nifty idea" but eventually, and with more experience, most folk change their view on this.
Every list to which I am subscribed uses the "reply-to"header to mark the address of the list.
Then you're not subscribed to very many lists and/or haven't been at this game very long...
Every MUA I use, which are Mozilla, Mutt, Pegasus offer the reply-to address as first choice to send a reply to.
Just so -- what's your point? *SOME* choice had to be first, and making it be reply-to is probably correct [given the RFC's recommendation]. so some times you pick the first choice and some times you pick the second [or third] choice... Now that we have "LIst-Id" headers, if you had a smart enough email client, you'd actually have both "reply" and "followup" functions [which would *ONLY* work properly if the MLM doesn't fool with reply-to... yet another reason why messing with reply-to is a bad idea: it cripples one neat [RFC-supported] function of the really-
competent MUAs]
And as you state yourself, RFC 2822 explicitely allows the use of the reply-to header.
Just so -- again, what's your point? No one has said it is *not*allowed* for the MLM to change the reply-to, only that, on balance, it is better left alone.
I really do not understand why sqlite should act different than all mailinglists I get mail from.
Perhaps because sqlite is more sensibly set up?? Is your 'understanding' based on your actually reviewing any/some of the thinking and arguments on this matter that have been made over the years/decades?
And I do not see the problem, if the reply-to header is used, all other headers can stay the same, but many people are helped with this.
As has been pointed out [both here and in the MANY discussions on this matter], *SOME* people are helped with it, but overall the consensus is generally that it hurts more than it helps.
/bernie\
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