On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 at 14:20, Goffi <[email protected]> wrote: > Le mercredi 18 décembre 2024, 11:07:25 heure normale d’Europe centrale > Dave > Cridland a écrit : > > On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 at 22:12, Peter Saint-Andre <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I think there's a third option, which is to move the responsibility for > > processing non-GitHub PRs onto the submitter, and have them find a > > volunteer to handle it each time (a Document Shepherd, additional Author, > > or whatever). I worry that if there's a body on the Editorial team who > > handles this very rare case, it'll likely mean that when it's needed, > we've > > mostly forgotten who has this role, or they've drifted away, or whatever. > > Once submitted, it's the Author's responsibility to do the updates by PR > as > > well, so this is a task for the lifetime of each XEP (like the Author, > > really). > > > > If a submitter cannot find anyone on the standards list or amongst the > > people they know willing to help handle this part of the Author role, > then > > I think that suggests quite a bit about how much interest there is in the > > XEP. > > > > Furthermore, I think this is essentially a mild formalisation on what the > > existing de-facto process is; so absent a strong reason to chnage the > > existing process, I'd rather we document something that matches. > > > > (I'll make a PR against XEP-0143 with concrete text on Friday) > > I think that making it nearly-mandatory to register an account on a > service > from a private company is a problem. It's totally understandable that > people > don't want to create an account on GitHub (I've avoided it myself for a > long > time), and asking potential first-time contributors to look for help > themselves > can be highly discouraging. > > Totally agreed.
> At the very least, there should be an easy process to ask for help, a list > of > people to contact, or an automated message requesting assistance when a > patch > is received by email. As you mentioned yourself, this case is currently > rare, > so it shouldn't be a huge problem. > > Is something like "Do a PR, but if you can't, send it to standards@ and ask for help?" enough here? Currently, Florian is happy to handle all such requests; but I don't think it's fair on him to rely on his continued availability and kindness. > I don't say that accepting patches by email is a must, but there should be > an > option that doesn't require creating an account on a private company's > service, even if it's not used often. I do 100% sympathise. However, options such as running our own version control, or insisting that the Editor handles emailed patches and submissions, seem to put the additional load on the wrong people too. I do think anything we do here is inevitably a compromise, I'm hoping we can find one we're all equally, and minimally, unhappy with. Dave.
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