Nicolas Williams pisze: > On Fri, Jan 09, 2009 at 10:31:40PM +0100, Maciej Browarski wrote: > >> Sorry, what I writing below, but I was on customer site using simulator and: >> 1. fishworks is nice (for first look and first use and for newbie ) but >> - not so flex ( only one storage pool, hanging when creating pool - how >> to about this operations?, how to restart only GUI without restarting >> server, can't view contents filestystems without mounting that) >> > > It's really difficult to understand all of what you're saying. > > As far as "restarting the GUI" -- the GUI is a BUI, a *browser* UI, and > there's nothing to restart except the web service or the whole system. > > As for why only one pool (two in clusters): that's because ZFS can > manage all the storage, so it's a lot simpler for the configuration > system to just let ZFS manage all the storage, rather than have to let > the customer mix and match disks in multiple pools. > > OK, his is BUI,so how simple I can restart it ? When creating pool I don't know when will be done and I can't abort this operation. I know that manage ZFS from one pool is simpler, but when customer using 7000 for two or many department, and each department buy own disks,so there also need to own administration. But seeing other posting I waiting to mid 2009 for this functionality.
>> - don't have many net protocols (where is ssh, scp, sftp, rsync and other) >> > > Good point. > > >> - have C-like, PERL-like scripts and whatever like.Sorry, but I don't >> have time to learn new language, which is only in this appliance. >> > > There's a ECMAScript (a.k.a., JavaScript) API. It's quite complete and > documented. > > >> For me useful option in CLI is 'shell' command,why: >> - I can run wget to download big *.iso site, which can I very fast share >> with other on ftp protocol.(this is very useful to make mirrors site). >> - I can restart fishworks, >> - useful commands like ifconfig, arp,ping -s >> - make more DTrace scripts, >> - make jumpstart, and so on, >> - copy PERL,BASH scripts from Linux box, which make any synchronization >> between many sites. >> - I have crontab to wget's,scp from other site. >> > > And can you do any of those things on any other NAS *appliance*? > > If you want to be able to run any DTrace script then build an NAS box > using Solaris (or MacOS X, or FreeBSD). > > You can also do things like downloads (cron'ed or not), etcetera on a > CIFS or NFS client of your NAS appliance. > > Do you know that, that administrator are lazy to learn new language scripts? Have we synchronize replication ? NetAPP win in this very important point. But we can use AVS. But how this implement in OpenStorage ? >> So,why need I fishworks ? Because this is for newbie and not so >> technical person, and we can fast make first running and useful >> configuration. (this is very good argument, that in 5 minutes, in nice >> GUI, I can configuring Pool, User and FTP and CIFS). But other >> appliance can this too. >> > > It's not for "newbies." It's for enterprise customers (who, > incidentally, can afford to have, and usually do have clients where they > can run cron jobs, etc. to manipulate NAS filesystem contents remotely). > > Fishworks is for finance director and manage director,is nice, fast and can do simple operations, Bash is for administrators which need real features and functionality which can configure to own environment. On meetings we have finance director and administrators, and we can win with both !! >> Conclusion: >> OpenStorage 7000 with fishworks is like other NAS (almost these same >> features), but not so fast because we using full Operating Systems. >> > > I seriously doubt that you have done any benchmarking to back up a claim > like that. > > Why should the use of a general-purposed operating system make the > system slow? After all, the appliance doesn't run a full Solaris > install, but a minimized version of it. > > Without Zones, RBAC ? Why Solaris is know as Slowaris ? We win in I/O ops because we use SSD disks. Now we must sell many 7000 as we can until competition launching NAS with SSD. >> So, closing way to log in to shell you will cut branch on which you sit. >> > > I don't agree. The reason that the full power of Solaris is hidden is > to make support simpler. By using documented, supported ECMAScript APIs > we get to control the amount of misconfiguration that can result while > still giving the customer a lot of power. > > Nico > Yes, support is simpler. But SUN company is know that administrators can do more with boxes than competition. You never know what exactly customers need and, in this way, you are unable to implement this functionality in fishworks. Regards Maciej _______________________________________________ storage-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/storage-discuss
