Dear stovers, May be Prof. Kirk Smith has not heard about the TLUD ND Gasifier Unit made by Paal Wendelbo in the late 1980`s....?......priced 4500 Shilling (Uganda), US$ 5.........?
See also links on You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amaUDK6VyRg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi3Xx7NtTGw&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsfuVGBi4fc&feature=related Kindly Otto Formo Forester and a TLUD ND fan........without a fan......:) Also a "fan" of pyrolysis or Otto cycle...........:) > From: [email protected] > Sent: 2010-11-29 07:25:46 MET > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [[email protected]], > biochar-policy [[email protected]] > Subject: Re: [Stoves] K Smith Article in Energy for Sustainable Development > > Alex and stoves and biochar-policy lists: > > Thanks for catching this new paper by Prof. Kirk Smith. I think it contains > some important new details for both the stoves and biochar lists. > > My guess is that Kirk had more to do with getting this new fund started than > almost anyone else. > > The only sentence I disagree with is this in the second column, where Kirk > says about today's stove options : > "With an affordability limit of about $10, no such device is available > today,...." > > He doesn't say so, but he must be thinking of charcoal making stoves - and > Kirk is correctly concerned about the higher-than-$10 pricetag. My solution > to that is to look for a way for the stove buyer to make (rather than spend) > money while cooking. The money-making potential comes from making char - > hopefully for becoming Biochar. But it would also be much better in a > societal sense to avoid the environmentally damaging way most char is made > today - badly, in pits.. But even if the stove only produces char for > non-Biochar uses, we already know what people are willing to pay for char and > so a business deal should be possible with a stove that lasts long enough.. > > A middle man (or better maybe an NGO) should be able to offer a stove at zero > upfront cost, and accept payment on a monthly basis - either in local > currency based on char produced by the stove user or in char. The person > acting as leaser of the stoves could also supply the "perfect" fuel(s) and > accept payment (or rental fees) for the stove in char with a pre-determined > price or exchange ratio. I don't believe that $50 or $80 dollars (Kirk's > numbers) per stove will be considered high, as the total cost of daily > cooking goes down to something close to zero when you are producing something > as valuable as char and the stove is as efficient as we know charcoal-makers > can be.. > > The middle man (or NGO or stove manufacturer) is not the only one who can end > up with the carbon credits - but that seems most likely - to build up the > volume. > > So in sum, I don't see how any other kind of stove stands a chance - as long > as we can find people/groups willing to consider ways to lease. Microcredit > operations should fit very well with this sort of entrepreneurial approach. > If given a choice between an ordinary $10 stove and one that makes char > (being cleaner, moe efficient, easier to cook with, and no-cost) - why would > anyone not go with a char-making stove? There are plenty of charcoal-making > stove options to choose from in the future. Both the stove and biochar lists > have talked about them a lot - not just the two in India that are mentioned > (and those will have to undergo a little re-design to output char rather than > consume it). > > This switch to charcoal-making stove just will take a new way of looking at > stove sales/leases/benefits. These char-making stoves are NOT too expensive > with the right sort of infrastructure. > > Kirk's references are worth looking at. I was impressed by a report found at > a small new group that Kirk is a part of: > http://impactcarbon.org/our-projects/stoves-in-kenya/kenya-stakeholder-consultation-report-2-1/ > > This deals with apparently the first stove project to qualify for carbon > credits through the voluntary gold standard approach. > > I also found (but haven't yet read) 31 entries about gold standards under > "stoves" at another cite given by Professor Smith, > http://cdmgoldstandard.org/Search.83.0.html?&L=0 > > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex English" <[email protected]> > To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 2:57:21 PM > Subject: [Stoves] K Smith Article in Energy for Sustainable Development > > > Stovers, > > Here is a link to Kirk Smith's take on the recent announcement of the > Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves. > > > http://ehs.sph.berkeley.edu/krsmith/publications/2010/ESD_whats_cooking.pdf > > > Alex > > _______________________________________________ > Stoves mailing list > > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address > Stoves mailing list > > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org > > > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: > http://www.bioenergylists.org/ > [email protected] > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >
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