I think all the stovers should understand that when anything is burned it produces CO2 irrespective of the fuel. What we are talking about is fixing CO2 in short time (10-20 years) for recycling which happens when biomass is used. We should understand that kerosene, petrol, CNG etc are all renewable but on a much longer time frame (couple of million years).
On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Dean Still <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Although we have tried repeatedly to make a true gasifier (making gas in > one place that is transported to and burned in a wood gas cooking stove) we > haven't had great success. It seems easier to me to follow the forced draft > with auger pellet heating stove approach. This is a well known technology > and might be relatively easy to change into a cooking stove for folks in > industrialized countries, I think. The TLUD comes close but doesn't have > the ease of operation of a forced draft auger type pellet stove. > > I'll try to make a prototype model for Stove Camp. I agree that it's much > better to only burn renewable gas that does not add CO2 to the atmosphere. > Let's get to work and create the needed solutions. > > Best, > > Dean > > > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Paul Olivier <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Anil, >> >> I really think that we are coming close to the day when biomass stoves >> could be installed in modern kitchens. If biomass fuel has a relatively >> high bulk density, if it is uniform in grain size, if it is below 12% in >> moisture, (in other word, if it's well prepared), it could be gasified or >> pryrolized in such a manner that it could produce a gas that could compete >> with the gas derived from fossil fuels that are now being burned in modern >> kitchens. It's not enough that we design biomass stoves for poor people. We >> should be using them ourselves. >> >> I say to the entire stove community. Wake up. Design biomass stoves that >> you would be proud to use in your own kitchens. Do not just worry about the >> respiratory health of poor people. Think equally about the much bigger >> picture of the health of our entire planet that profoundly impacts rich and >> poor alike. Every time we turn on a modern gas appliance, we are >> contributing to global warming. Let us do all within our power to put an >> end to this nonsense. >> >> Paul Olivier >> >> >> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:25 AM, nari phaltan <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Thanks Erin for your kind words. I do hope our lanstove spreads. >>> >>> One of the great lessons of Mahatma Gandhi was that he preached what >>> he practiced Thus it will be interesting for all those people >>> who vehemently oppose lanstove type technology to switch to woodstove >>> cooking and solar lanterns in their own houses rather than doing it on gas >>> and electricity ( both produce extensive GHGs). >>> >>> Cheers. >>> >>> Anil >>> >>> >>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Erin Rasmussen <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Anil, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your article. >>>> >>>> I found that you also have an excellent description of your Lanstove >>>> here: >>>> http://www.nariphaltan.org/kerolanstove.pdf >>>> >>>> I'm sorry that our conversation got so off-track, this is obviously an >>>> improvement over the wick kerosene lantern that contributes a lot of >>>> black >>>> carbon and soot to our atmosphere. >>>> >>>> At ETHOS this year, Tammi Bond, who just wrapped up an extensive study >>>> on >>>> black carbon, identified improving the wick stove as the single biggest >>>> impact on black carbon emissions that we could make. >>>> Tammi's slides are here: >>>> >>>> http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/files/ethos2013/Lecture%20Hall/Saturday%20 >>>> PM/2013%20Ethos%20Keynote.pdf<http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/files/ethos2013/Lecture%20Hall/Saturday%20PM/2013%20Ethos%20Keynote.pdf> >>>> >>>> So - improving the lanterns, the lighting, and the stoves are all good >>>> aims, >>>> and I'd like to see us do what we can to actually help people in with >>>> improved light and cooking and other energy needs. >>>> >>>> That said, the Chulhas stove is not the best biomass stove we can make. >>>> We >>>> have learned a lot about making good stoves since the Chulha was >>>> designed, >>>> and it's time for us to bring those improvements to the many households >>>> in >>>> India and around the world that need them. >>>> >>>> OK, that said, I'd like to see us get back to making a real difference >>>> in >>>> the quality of life of many people around the world. We don't have >>>> time to >>>> waste arguing each other, when we can be developing and improving good >>>> stoves and bringing those stoves to the people that need them. >>>> >>>> Erin Rasmussen >>>> STOVES LIST ADMIN >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Stoves [mailto:[email protected]] On >>>> Behalf Of >>>> Nariphaltan >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 9:52 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene >>>> >>>> Some of you maybe interested in reading this article. >>>> Www.nariphaltan.org/kerosene.pdf >>>> >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> Anil K Rajvanshi >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Stoves mailing list >>>> >>>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>>> >>>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists >>>> .org<http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org> >>>> >>>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >>>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Stoves mailing list >>>> >>>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>>> >>>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >>>> >>>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >>>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Nimbkar Agricultural Research Institute (NARI) >>> Tambmal, Phaltan-Lonand Road >>> P.O.Box 44 >>> Phaltan-415523, Maharashtra, India >>> Ph:91-2166-222396/220945 >>> e-mail:[email protected] >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://www.nariphaltan.org >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Stoves mailing list >>> >>> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address >>> [email protected] >>> >>> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page >>> >>> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org >>> >>> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: >>> http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Paul A. 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