All,

If you look at the work of Hansen, he has specifically looked at the "mother 
nature" issue and finds that, while it does exist, it is not strong enough to 
begin to explain the results that are starting to emerge and that are expected 
sooner or latter.

Kevin's mother nature argument is soundly discredited and should be understood 
as such.

As for where this conversation belongs, it has a place here.  What are we 
cooperating on?  Stoves that remove CO2 from the atmosphere?  Stoves that add 
CO2 to the atmosphere, or stoves that only accelerate the natural carbon cycle? 
 We should be clear as what we are cooperating on and understand why.

I choose to work on stove projects that can be used to remove CO2.  If there is 
too much, then the only "honest" answer is removal.  Or am I missing something? 
 I certainly do not want the perfect to be the enemy of the good:  stoves that 
improve health and reduce black carbon pollution are a real step forward.

In the end, I expect we will have to agree to disagree.  These conversations 
are unlikely to change minds already made up.   If I am wrong, I will be called 
silly, but little or no harm will have been done.  I am fine with that.  If the 
deniers are wrong, they will have a lot to atone for.  

Jock


On May 11, 2013, at 2:08 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> Alex (cc list)
> 
>    3 questions
> 
>      a.  You hopefully are compiling a list of these one-liners.  When are we 
> going to see the full list in print?
>      b.  Do these just pop into your head, or do you have to think about them 
> for awhile?
>      c.  Is there a web site or text to help the rest of us catch up?
> 
> Ron
> 
> From: "Alex English" <[email protected]>
> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 9:23:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene
> 
> 
> On 11/05/2013 8:29 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> > Still not relevant to[stoves] though.
> 
> Andrew,
> It is hard to toe-the-line,  with  a toe over it.  :)
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
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