Michael E. MahowaldPresident Haiti Reconstruction International952-220-6814 Dear Friends, I completely agree with Otto, Paal, Richard and Jock, Decentralizing gives opportunities for those who work the hardest and need to be paid the most. I have tried all the stoves you have made and they are all very good stoves. But I have also found the main reason clean burning TLUD stoves have not caught on (at least in Haiti) is the lack of consistent dry fuel. Our main interest at HRI is stopping erosion caused by lack of trees. We know vetiver grass is the best cure to this problem. HRI feels the lack of trees even sticks trimmings to find for cooking fuel is so severe in Haiti we need a substitute like grass pellets for the entire country. We know grinding vetiver grass and making them into pellets will cost more than making briquettes by hand. But we also know that making briquettes will take too long and not be excepted by the entire county. The need to make the pellets cheaper is critical but we know that gasification of grass can be used instead of buying diesel fuel. The benefits of using modern technology will propel the economy helping those who need it most. We are working with Cornell University and wants to use Green Energy technology for making vetiver pellets for stoves and electrification. We are now shipping vetiver to Cornell University who will be testing it and making it into pellets. Cornell is the leading institution on developing grass for fuel, field crops and forages and business management. Farmers and villagers buy lots of diesel fuel to run their wells and haul produce down the mountains. When we perfect local electrification decentralizing will bring money to the top of the mountain and the people who are growing vetiver grass and saving the ecology. Decentralizing will also bring self-sustainability to the poorest countries in the world. Your best stoves should be able to be made into kits, preferably in the country of use. Then they can be sold and trained by students who can sell and show how they are used with vetiver pellets. Please see more on our Haiti Reconstruction International website Michael E. MahowaldPresident952-220-6814 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 20:29:30 +0100 Subject: Re: [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts
Dear stovers, I strongly second and recommend the statements of Paal W, Richard S and Jock. I also admire very much the model of World Stove and the work done by Nataniel M. on the subject. Internet has opened Our eyes and the doors to reach out to all and everybody, just look to the "Arab spring". It is just a matter of time, when the BIG Ones, also will realize that decentralized services, are far more relieable and more sustainable in the long run, than centralized ones. Last year, we had a power- and communication -cut of almost one week in the middle part of Norway, due to a strong winterstorm.But also very much thanks to centralized solutions and a strong belive in, that computer science, can even repair broken powerlines, remotely....................We need the skills of competent people to solve such challanges on the GROUND, HERE and NOW. Short term profits, should not be mixed into Development goals, like production of stoves and suitable fuel for low income families in a rural setting. Just let the BIG Ones, do it their way. I belive that we need to pave our own path for the future to create jobs and sustainable solutions on each continent and for all people. Best Wishes for a Decentralized and sustainable Production line in 2014. Otto From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 10:10:08 -0700 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts Jock, Ben, List, etal 1. I suggest we are apt to see a mixed mode for stoves: centralized manufacture of key parts and decentralized assembly. This is the World Stove model (based on least cost principles - import duties, quality control, attractive design, added services, etc). I worked twice for a small local PV company in Zimbabwe, and this was their key - provided much better service for customers than any of their competitors, for small parts - not the panels. 2. Ben: Deloitte does good work. I found this one: did you have a different cite? Ron On Jan 1, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Jonathan P Gill <[email protected]> wrote:I am with those who favor decentralization. The internet model is the proof of the pudding. The internet could never have been built by the centralized model! A key aspect of the decentralized model is that it is the most effective way to leverage the human and financial capital resources at the edges. These are far vaster in aggregate than anything the centralized model can arrange. The simple fact is that the problems being addressed require a level of resources that ONLY the decentralized internet model can deliver. The under resourced central model can only fail, as any badly under capitalized business knows. Best Wishes for a Distributed & Decentralized 2014. Jock Jock GillP. O. Box 3Peacham, VT 05862 google.com/+JockGill Extract CO2 from the atmosphere! On Dec 31, 2013, at 9:51 PM, Ben Blevins <[email protected]> wrote: Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons, there consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the message of mass production and distribution by development industry players. B On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Paal, and all, As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts. The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of the affluent world is for centralized industrial production. That centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC and WB and many who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the funding. And they present very convincing arguments. (If they could not, they would not be in control of the situation.) It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having major impacts. Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one example. I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group. Paul Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD Email: [email protected] Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072 Website: www.drtlud.com On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, [email protected] wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700, [email protected] wrote: Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate, but after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove list I have come to this conclusion. There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or decentralized activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass of different types will give a lot of new needed jobs. · Registration of local waste combustible biomass. · Use of local resources · Biochar production by cooking. That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low income groups all around the worl Best regards Paal Wendelbo [email protected] _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send a Message to the list, use the email address [email protected] to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org for more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site: http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/
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