I'm puzzled... how has anything but good resulted from the hours of sweat blood and tears put into the smoking ban proposal? By next spring smoking will have been all but eliminated in restaurants and it will be only a short matter of time before everyone else is smoke free in the metro area.
In politics one has to expect that almost anything might happen as an issue evolves. Thje possibility that you won't get everything you ask for in the timeframe you want should never be a reason for sitting on one's backside and wringing your hands. Popman seems to believe that the smoking ban was my property - it wasn't. It belongs to the people. The people who researched, lobbied, wrote, called, and the public was served well by this activism. The public was able to weigh in as never before on a vital health issue and their concerns paid off. They have started the wheel a turning and it won't stop. dave ward 2 st. paul >>> erin stojan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 09/15/04 03:22PM >>> Russ Hason wrote: "Thune should have READ MY POST on the mayor's status way back when Mr. Birrenback was having his problem with the stink plant on West 7th when I, CORRECTLY, identified the Mayor's loyalties, for the first time, ANYWHERE!" If any elected official is taking counsel from posts made to this list, God help us all ;) My $0.02, erin stojan ward 7, dayton's bluff --- popman wrote: > Status of the Smoking Ban: Bungled! > > Or *Hey Dave, got a light ? > > I posted before on this issue and Andy Driscoll went > totally ballistic on me for posting it. I made my > point loud and I made it clear that this so-called > bar > and restaurant ban is about to be bungled and his > buddy Dave Thune bungled it! I said that Thune was > basically wrong in the way he approached it and that > he should have looked around first for some > alternatives, i.e.: checking the existing laws, etc* > The chickens have come home to roost, along with > other > economic realities. > > I think that I would be in my rights to humbly ask > for > an apology. > > Here's the truth on the failure of the much needed > Smoking Ban: > > > First of all, Dave, the bungler, Thune should have > realized these 3 things BEFORE he started all this > smoking ban business: > > 1. Our mayor is a shill for the republican party and > always has been. It should not have taken a public > endorsement to the POTUS convince Thune of this. > Trying to negotiate with Hizzoner is a total waste > of > time and shows Thunes' political ineptness. Thune > should have READ MY POST on the mayor's status way > back when Mr. Birrenback was having his problem with > the stink plant on West 7th when I, CORRECTLY, > identified the Mayor's loyalties, for the first > time, > ANYWHERE! If Dave would have read my post, he would > not be the failure that he is today. > > 2. There's too much cop psychology on the city > council. Montgomery and Bostrum are both cops. > They've > both been trained / brainwashed for years in line > with > businesses / republican perceptions of the evils of > creeping liberalism. (You must be a right wing > nut-job > to be a cop in good standing. It's required in this > town.) I don't know if wavering Montgomery voted for > or against the ban, but if she was finally "for", > she > WILL BE disciplined down the line. > Thune should have known that it's not enough to just > to win in the council chambers, but he must be able > to > defeat the Mayor's veto. He didn't have the support > and never did and he should have realized it before > he > started all this. > > > I knew it and why didn't Dave Thune? For that > matter, > why didn't Andy Driscoll realize this and thereby > advise his friend accordingly and save him from all > this embarrassment? > The lesson here is this: "You can take the cop out > of > the force but you can't take the training out of the > cop."***ya'all can quote me on this: Once a cop* > always a cop! The stench of cop-psychology is as > tough > to get rid of as is the cigarette stenched-bars. > > 3. The gang of four, should know one simple little > fact: Any law that puts the interests of the people > directly ahead of perceived profit-gatherings is > simply not going to fly in a republican-controlled > St. > Paul. > > There's going to be no much needed official smoking > ban in the bars unless things change. Sorry Andy, > but > your pal bungled this. Moreover, Democrats have > bungled everything that they have put their hand to > for the last 25 years on ALL levels of government! > That's why they lose! President Bush has make some > very serious mistakes*but*he's STILL AHEAD OF KERRY > IN > THE POLLS*go figure. > > In sum: > > We are a divided country because capitalism demands > it. What's good for the people, in general, is > AUTOMATICALLY bad for business. What's bad for the > Labor side is AUTOMATICALLY bad for management. > You all better love it and learn it* because you all > are going to live it! > > > > > > > > > You don't pull the mask off the ol' Lone Ranger and > you don't mess with THE TRUTH! > > > > > Rowdy Russ Hanson. > The Undisputed Truth in St. Paul. > > > Smoke 'em *if ya got 'em. > > > > _______________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote.yahoo.com > _____________________________________________ > To Join: St. Paul Issues Forum Rules Discussion > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > _____________________________________________ > NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your > password - visit: > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul > > Archive Address: > http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ > _____________________________________________ To Join: St. Paul Issues Forum Rules Discussion Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _____________________________________________ NEW ADDRESS FOR LIST: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, modify subscription, or get your password - visit: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/stpaul Archive Address: http://www.mnforum.org/mailman/private/stpaul/ ------------------------------------------------------- **VOTE TUESDAY, NOV. 2!** To register: Contact your county election office, or the Secretary of State at http://www.sos.state.mn.us/ General info: http://www.e-democracy.org "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." -Rev. 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