Ok Renee first.
--- Renee Jenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm with Cristy.
>
> If I still lived in the Mac Groveland district I
> would have run for Sue
> Haigh's position. But there is no way I would have
> even thought about
> trying to go for endorsement in the DFL. Wayyyyy
> tooooo stressful. The DFL
> political process is prohibitive to the disabled.
> Intentionally so I think.
> Sorry Eric. Just call it like I see it.
EM:
How many parties have you run under Renee? You think
that has something to do with?
Calling the process intentionally prohibitive to the
disabled is a self serving lie. That's an untruth told
to benefit your viewpoint. You'll need to explain how
so. Since there is an Affirmative Action Commission
and Disabled DFL Caucus with a distinct focus of
providing access for the disabled.
Don't apologize, state your case if you've seen it.
my first post on this addresses that you need a plan
for endorsement.
Now my favorite Green, David.
--- David Shove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Me too. Incumbent protection is often much more
> important to the DFL
> hierarchy than service to the citizens. Nothing like
> 30 years in a safe
> (gerrymandered if necessary) seat, and then
> employment at a nice salary
> with the corporation most greatly benefitted by
> those 30 years of service.
EM:
Of course you too. You're an anti-everything Green.
Your own Party has muzzled you.
You have some evidence of the local district being
Gerrymandered? Nope. Nice salary!?!?! 35,000 for a
legislator and what? 45,000 for a councilmeber? Yeah,
they're swimming in the dough- damn fatcats.
> Where is the DFL when it comes to active promotion
> of campaign finance
> reform, voting reform (IRV, PR), fairness for third
> parties? Usually
> nowhere, or on the wrong side.
EM:
Everything you named is on the natinal level and being
supported by a Congressional Democrat. These are the
Greens issues, where are their elected officials on
it? You're having problems with your own council
members in Minneapolis.
> Often the incumbent has a one-track mind on serving
> the Chamber of
> Commerce Big Players, and hitting all the rest of us
> with the bill.
>
> Often the DFL goes rabid against change, against
> third parties ("how COULD
> you vote for X when that only elects the evil RP?
> Huh?! Huh!?")
>
> After each stunning electoral defeat, the DFL _says_
> it is looking for
> advice from the populace, but never listens; instead
> it _tells_ everyone
> the answer, usually some blather never enacted, and
> more 'business
> friendly' (ie corporate welfare) legislation.
EM:
Let's see, the DFL carried the state for Kerry, won 13
new House seats (nine in districts that Kerry did not
carry- so save that theory) and came pretty damn close
in other races in non-traditional districts.
Locally, I believe all but one councilmember is a
DFLer. Remind of what stunning electoral defeat you're
talking about.
> So I can only CHEER HUZZAH! whenever incumbents are
> challenged, by
> mavericks of their own party. I don't always like
> the specific results,
> but I prefer the general results of challenging over
> the general results
> of doing whatever the hierarchy prefers (usually
> safety over creativity).
> No incumbent should ever feel safe; fear - if
> nothing else - should drive
> them to serve well in order to _deserve_
> re-election.
EM:
I assume that's why you support Mayor Kelly so
strongly. A well-known 'party-maverick'.
You speak from afar on the inside with the only
intention of criticizing. Understanding the process,
you will see that the hierarchy is beholden to the
grassroots activists of the party.
Was it not the national Green Party that dictated the
process by which you guys would select a presidential
candidate? When some MN Greens objected they were shut
down by the Green hierarchy in Oregon and California
who had already decided who would get the endorsement
for President long before the convention in Milwaukee.
You got to be careful with the rocks in that glass
house you're shouting and complaining from, you might
break something.
The DFL process is not perfect and its an education,
but there are people willing to help if you ask. It's
not closed off to 'insiders' as anyone who wants can
show up and become a delegate. I've done it like many
others. The 60,000 people that showed up for precinct
caucus last year did it too.
Eric Mitchell
Payne-Phalen
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