I can't wait for those strict constructionist supreme court justices.
Dennis Tester Mac-Groveland
----- Original Message ----- From: "popman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Dennis Tester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [StPaul] Re: Smoking ban ...al la : Mr. Repke.
And just what kind of society does capitalism build
when one has to be "aware" of possible dangers lurking
around every turn. It's a sick society / or at least
an undereducated one, that allows it. When a society
is cooperative instead of competitive, a whole
different attitude would prevail that would remove
those dangers that we all must be "aware" of.
By the way, did you know that the term "Caveat Emptor" is the first thing you learn when you study capitalist economics? When I did it, it was written in italics!
No...we don't have those constitutional rights to
clean air or clean water and the reason why could be
that the founding fathers were all pro-business.
Capitalists, if you will. They didn't care about
anything or anybody but themselves and the
preservation of their own wealth. In fact, the
celebrated term: "We, the People", DID NOT apply to
the citizens originally. What the fathers were talking
about were themselves and people like them or in other
words, the wealthy.
In fact, the whole constitution was written with the
idea of preservation of wealth. Notice that there was
no individual income tax demanded.
The constitution was also written to protect business
contracts.
The bill of rights, which I think that your referring to, was included to bribe the states for ratification.
Today, even republicans agree, the document is just a
shell.
It should be discarded and used to light Fidel's cigar
:=) Today we have much better writers and with the
power of hindsight in effect, a much better document
could be written and enjoyed by all.
Rowdy Russ Hanson. The Truth in St. Paul.
--- Dennis Tester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
popman wrote:
"I suspect that the "rights issues" are just another
republican distraction."
Yup, those civil rights sure are inconvenient to
have to deal with, aren't they? Believe it or not, you have no Constitutional
right to breath clean air, especially when you are choosing where you are
breathing it. Just like I have no right to expect clean water if I choose to
go swimming at the waste treatment plant. Caveat Emptor pal.
The bullies in this drama aren't the truck drivers
and factory workers who want to have a legal smoke with their after-work
beer, it's the bureaucrats and self-appointed social engineers who are.
Dennis Tester Mac-Groveland
----- Original Message ----- From: "popman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:25 AM
Subject: [StPaul] Re: Smoking ban ...al la : Mr.
Repke.
>
> I just had to make some observations in Mr.
Repke's
> post. You will find them bracketed.
>
>
>
>
>
> I know that we stray from the City focus on this
but
> again you are
> absolutely
> correct on the conservative philosophy. If I run
a
> bar and water down
> the
> drinks, to bad let the buyer beware. If I serve
> spoiled meat, let the
> buyer
> beware. If I want to smoke and it makes you ill,
to
> bad I can do what
> I damn
> well please. All of these things are regulated
> because we live in a
> civilization. The purpose of law is to protect
those
> who need
> protection from those who
> would exploit or hurt them.
>
> [ Please .these things are NOT regulated because
we
> live in a "civilization". They are regulated
because
> we live under a system of predatory capitalism.
The
> success of capitalism, in part, DEPENDS on the
> hoodwinking of the unsuspecting public. We don't
have
> a civilization. If capitalists WERE civil, we
wouldn't
> need these "protection laws" in the first place. ]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The purpose of democracy is to ensure at
> least
> some liberties for the powerless, and I am afraid
> those who fear
> taxation,
> regulation and litigation probably can do a pretty
> good job of
> protecting
> themselves.
>
>
> [We don't live in democracy. We live in a private
> sector aristocracy that masquerades as a
> representative democracy. Money is a big ol'
reason
> why we don't have a ban in St. Paul. I suspect
that
> the "rights issues" are just another republican
> distraction.]
>
> The smoking ban that is happening throughout the
> country one city and
> one
> state at a time is a movement of people who are
tired
> of bullies
> deciding there
> right to smoke is higher than someone else's right
to
> breath.
>
>
> [Why should we have to depend on a movement of the
> people? We are suppose to be electing leaders that
use
> common sense and do what they're suppose to
do.which
> is to LEAD US.
>
> A public smoking ban is something that should have
> been passed on the simply the basis of common
sense
> without having to re-evaluated the state
constitution.
>
>
> I would also like to humbly remind you that I do
know
> republicans and your right...they ARE bullies! One
has
> to deal with them the way one always deals with
> bullies. Believe me, it's the only way to deal
with
> 'em. Our grandfathers knew that when they took to
the
> streets in the labor riots of past. It was our
> grandfathers and our fathers that got us our
rights
> and not the military. The local military was on
the
> side of the aristocrats.remember?]
>
> Just My Opinion not Those Of My Employers Past
Present
> Or Future
>
> Chuck Repke
> W 7th
>
>
> Rowdy Russ Hanson.
> The Truth in St. Paul.
>
>
>
>
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