On Sep 18, 2010, at 12:44 AM, mex sara wrote:

> On 9/18/10, Francis Drouillard <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2010, at 4:59 PM, mex sara wrote:
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>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Francis Drouillard <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> If you're interested in the truth about Tea Partiers, you may want to read
>>> this article:
>>> 
>>> <http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2010/09/16/2010-09-16_stop_mocking_the_tea_party_if_anyone_is_nuts_its_the_elites_and_incumbents.html>
>>> 
>>> My only quibble with her take is that the Tea Party is more of a political
>>> movement or awakening than an organized political party, and one that
>>> befuddles and confuses both major political parties.
>>> 
>>> i cringe at the term 'elites'  ....
>> 
>> Perhaps you identify with them?
>> 
>> I don't know about Australia, but there certainly are elites in this country
>> that  believe they know best for the rest of us. They're in Washington, DC,
>> on Wall Street and within our major universities. In fact, I dare say that
>> anyone with a PhD feels we should listen to them and that they should be in
>> charge of something. Hollywood is full of elites.
>> 
>> It's not an illusion, and it's the elites that feel they're entitled to
>> consume voraciously.
> 
> 
> not Illusion ... Allusion

Thanks for the English lesson, but you still miss the mark.

Allusion is not the correct term to use since the ones to whom you allude cite 
specific examples of elitism, and their examples are resplendent with 
references. The fact that you missed those specific examples and references 
doesn't mean they're using "allusion to inflame the entitlement greed of the 
consumer class."

If anyone is guilty of consuming allusion, it is Obama's supporters. The have a 
tendency to project onto him an intent to implement the policies they want, in 
some cases despite his words to the contrary. In that case, the fallback 
position is "he doesn't really mean it -- that was only necessary to get 
elected." Not my words, but those of a few of my friends that were ardent 
supporters of Obama in the 2008 campaign.

But the effects of that allusion are no longer effective. More people now watch 
what he does rather than listen to what he says, and they don't like what they 
see.

> to allude is a little different to creating an illusion ....
> 
> i  think what the complaint is  ... for instance when someone say
> "hollywood is full of elites "
> 
> is that some people have gotten very very some would obscenely rich
> because people like to go to the movies and they espcecially like to
> pay money to see their their favourite actors and style of movies
> 
> so  movies make a few people very very wealthy ...  wealth is power
> and power entitles
> 
> no point complaining too much if it was your money that did it  ...
> you had a 100 minutes of fun and illusion.
> 
>> 
>>> nothing like an allusion to create an image to inflame the entitlement
>>> greed of the consumer class ... the aspirational  hard done by but "we
>>> were promised we could rule the world if we buy more than we can afford
>>> and live your prescribed  dream" ...   a very good prescription for
>>> maintaining the good old 'the richer get richer and the poor get poorer"
>>> 
>>> i am still gobsmaked about this
>>> 
>>> "On his radio show, Mr. Beck said he had not intended to choose the
>>> anniversary for his “Restoring Honor” rally on Saturday but had since
>>> decided it was “divine providence.”
>>> Dr. King’s dream, he told listeners, “has been so corrupted.”
>>> 
>>> “Judge a man by the content of his character?” he said. “Character doesn’t
>>> even matter in this country. It’s time we picked back up the job.”
>>> 
>>> He later added: “We are the people of the civil rights movement. We are
>>> the ones that must stand for civil and equal rights, justice, equal
>>> justice. Not special justice, not social justice. We are the inheritors
>>> and protectors of the civil rights movement. They are perverting it.”
>>> 
>> I watch Glenn Beck's show frequently. I try not to miss his Friday episodes
>> which he calls "Founder's Fridays." Lot's of interesting history, especially
>> the role of blacks in the founding of our country. Quite shocking how we
>> went from an integrated society before the American Revolution to one with
>> slavery and bigotry. The racism promulgated by Democrats after the Civil War
>> was quite shocking, too. The segregation initiated by Woodrow Wilson was
>> quite repugnant, too.
>> 
>> Funny how leftists key on the date for his "Restoring Honor" rally. He says
>> the event was scheduled before he realized it was the 47th anniversary of
>> King's speech. No other groups scheduled a commemoration, not even the NAACP
>> or Jesse Jackson or other black leaders that have usurped the mantle of Dr.
>> King. Only the Rev. Al Sharpton had an event at a nearby school auditorium,
>> one he scheduled after getting his panties in a twist after hearing about
>> Beck's event.
>> 
>> He could have attended the 8/28 event with Beck. He was invited, but choose
>> not to attend. Dr. Alveta King showed up and spoke. She's Dr. Kings's niece,
>> and agrees that Glenn Beck has the right take on her uncle's legacy, whereas
>> the self-appointed leaders of his legacy like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton,
>> and even the NAACP, do not.
>> 
>> But hey, Mex, keep on thinking what you want about Beck and the Tea
>> Partiers. It really doesn't matter in the greater scheme of things.
>>> i am sure it was "divine providence" and carefully constructed and stage
>>> managed  the hubris to call on an Elite
>>> 
>>> because of course Martin Luther King is an Elite in the dictionary sense
>>> of of the word ... the "I have a Dream' speech
>>> 
>>> will be/ is one of those documents like
>>> 
>>> the Magna Carta,
>>> 
>>> the Declaration of Independence
>>> 
>>> the Ten Commandments
>>> 
>>> referenced and referenced the referenced again
>>> 
>>> all this alluding reminds me of a quote from Walter Benjamin
>>> 
>>> " The logical outcome of fascism is an aestheticizing of political life "
>>> 
>>> as the Italian Facists said
>>> 
>>> “Fiat ars, pereat mundus”
>>> 
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>>> mx
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