Thanks for the information John. I understand that Liferay cannot compete with beasts like WebSphere and Epicentric at this point. But which small/mid-sized company can afford to purchase Epicentric or WebSphere and maintain a portal over the years based on these commercial portal servers? It costs an arm and a leg! Maybe 50K-100K if you have >100 users. If it's cheaper please let me know.
The function of portal servers like Liferay is to provide maybe half the features of commercial portal servers, but cost a tiny fraction to develop and maintain. I hear of smaller companies wanting to switch from WebSphere to open-source alternatives like Tomcat/JBoss/etc because it costs them too much to pay the licensing fees. For big organizations with mamooth budgets it's not a big problem to get Epicentric or WebSphere, but if you don't have those kinds of budgets you may have to go the open-source route. my two cents on IT economics.. Peace, Mete --- John Cavacas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > An enterprise portal has much more to offer then > something like Liferay and > they are hugely much more complex beasts. That can > be both a good thing and > a bad thing. Be sure to evaluate it. I think however > that if your company is > looking at something like Epicentric, Liferay is not > going to show up in the > radar scope. I don't mean any disrespect to the > developers of Liferay, it > does look impressive. > > I've been involved in several large scale enterprise > portal implementations. > Mainly with Plumtree and recently WebSphere Portal. > I've evaluated > Epicentric but never used it so I can't comment on > that. > > Like others have said, WebSphere portal is based on > Jetspeed and it is a > terrific portal to work with especially for custom > deployments because the > programming environment and APIs are just fantastic. > . I don't know why > Plutree has so much market share, because WS Portal > is clearly superior in > my eyes. > > Anyway about using Struts with a Portal. It could > work, In fact I think I > saw an article at ibm.com/developerWorks about using > struts to create > portlets but I cant seem to find it atm. If I do > I'll post back with the > URL. Portlets are essentially mini web apps. You > actually deploy war files > onto WS Portal to install Portlets. WSAD supports > Portlet development > through a dev kit, which is available for download. > You can use JSPs, or > other view technology, and you can also create > Portlets from web services. > Using Struts do develop and support a framework of > Portlets could be an > interesting possibility. It would probably require > modifications to Struts, > others that are more familiar with Struts can jump > in on that one. In fact > I created a few Portlets and used an MVC approach to > their design, so I > don't see why something like Struts cannot be used. > I might just have to try > it :) > > Regards, > John > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:48 PM > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > Subject: RE: Has anyone tried to use struts with > Epicentric > > > > Hmm.. I didn't know that WebSphere was inspired > from > > JetSpeed.. > > > > I had been thinking for the longest time about > whether > > to abandon Struts for portal development and start > > using JetSpeed. This was due to the fact that I > didn't > > know any portal server that is based on Struts. I > like > > Struts, but yet without a portal platform that is > > built on top of it I can't do too much. Liferay > seems > > to work for me since it is a portal server based > on > > Struts. You still set all your action mappings in > > struts-config.xml. So it should be pretty easy to > > learn for Struts users. > > > > How would you compare JetSpeed and Liferay? > > > > -Mete > > > > --- Joe Barefoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Jetspeed is another open-source portal. Not > built > > > with Struts though. WebSphere uses an enhanced, > > > modified version of Jetspeed under the hood for > > > their portal impl. b.t.w. Check their docs, > they > > > are quite open about it. > > > > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/site/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > --joe > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:25 PM > > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > Subject: Re: Has anyone tried to use struts > with > > > Epicentric > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > You may also want to consider this open-source > > > free > > > > portal server which is built upon Struts. It's > > > called > > > > Liferay. It may save you a lot of money. I > just > > > > discovered this a few days ago. It's the only > > > portal > > > > server that I know of which is built upon > Struts. > > > Here > > > > is a live demo to see some pre-built portlets > that > > > > come with it: http://my.liferay.com Go to the > > > > "personalization" page to see a list of > portlets > > > > available. Some these available portlets are: > > > > Shopping Cart > > > > Message Board > > > > Mail > > > > Wiki > > > > Calculator > > > > Currency Converter > > > > and many more. > > > > > > > > Their website is http://www.liferay.com > > > > > > > > Let me know what you think about it. I'm > > > considering > > > > using this portal server to develop our portal > as > > > > well. It may save us $$$$$. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mete > > > > > > > > --- Mike Ehlers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > My company is in the process of working on > the > > > next > > > > > generation of our site > > > > > -- and we've decided to make it a portal. > The > > > > > person who makes decisions > > > > > with regards to purchasing software is > trying to > > > > > steer us towards > > > > > Epicentric. 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