Mete, I couldn't agree more.
John > -----Original Message----- > From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:53 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: Has anyone tried to use struts with Epicentric > > Thanks for the information John. > > I understand that Liferay cannot compete with beasts > like WebSphere and Epicentric at this point. But which > small/mid-sized company can afford to purchase > Epicentric or WebSphere and maintain a portal over the > years based on these commercial portal servers? It > costs an arm and a leg! Maybe 50K-100K if you have > >100 users. If it's cheaper please let me know. > > The function of portal servers like Liferay is to > provide maybe half the features of commercial portal > servers, but cost a tiny fraction to develop and > maintain. I hear of smaller companies wanting to > switch from WebSphere to open-source alternatives like > Tomcat/JBoss/etc because it costs them too much to pay > the licensing fees. For big organizations with mamooth > budgets it's not a big problem to get Epicentric or > WebSphere, but if you don't have those kinds of > budgets you may have to go the open-source route. > > my two cents on IT economics.. > > Peace, > Mete > > > --- John Cavacas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An enterprise portal has much more to offer then > > something like Liferay and > > they are hugely much more complex beasts. That can > > be both a good thing and > > a bad thing. Be sure to evaluate it. I think however > > that if your company is > > looking at something like Epicentric, Liferay is not > > going to show up in the > > radar scope. I don't mean any disrespect to the > > developers of Liferay, it > > does look impressive. > > > > I've been involved in several large scale enterprise > > portal implementations. > > Mainly with Plumtree and recently WebSphere Portal. > > I've evaluated > > Epicentric but never used it so I can't comment on > > that. > > > > Like others have said, WebSphere portal is based on > > Jetspeed and it is a > > terrific portal to work with especially for custom > > deployments because the > > programming environment and APIs are just fantastic. > > . I don't know why > > Plutree has so much market share, because WS Portal > > is clearly superior in > > my eyes. > > > > Anyway about using Struts with a Portal. It could > > work, In fact I think I > > saw an article at ibm.com/developerWorks about using > > struts to create > > portlets but I cant seem to find it atm. If I do > > I'll post back with the > > URL. Portlets are essentially mini web apps. You > > actually deploy war files > > onto WS Portal to install Portlets. WSAD supports > > Portlet development > > through a dev kit, which is available for download. > > You can use JSPs, or > > other view technology, and you can also create > > Portlets from web services. > > Using Struts do develop and support a framework of > > Portlets could be an > > interesting possibility. It would probably require > > modifications to Struts, > > others that are more familiar with Struts can jump > > in on that one. In fact > > I created a few Portlets and used an MVC approach to > > their design, so I > > don't see why something like Struts cannot be used. > > I might just have to try > > it :) > > > > Regards, > > John > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:48 PM > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > Subject: RE: Has anyone tried to use struts with > > Epicentric > > > > > > Hmm.. I didn't know that WebSphere was inspired > > from > > > JetSpeed.. > > > > > > I had been thinking for the longest time about > > whether > > > to abandon Struts for portal development and start > > > using JetSpeed. This was due to the fact that I > > didn't > > > know any portal server that is based on Struts. I > > like > > > Struts, but yet without a portal platform that is > > > built on top of it I can't do too much. Liferay > > seems > > > to work for me since it is a portal server based > > on > > > Struts. You still set all your action mappings in > > > struts-config.xml. So it should be pretty easy to > > > learn for Struts users. > > > > > > How would you compare JetSpeed and Liferay? > > > > > > -Mete > > > > > > --- Joe Barefoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Jetspeed is another open-source portal. Not > > built > > > > with Struts though. WebSphere uses an enhanced, > > > > modified version of Jetspeed under the hood for > > > > their portal impl. b.t.w. Check their docs, > > they > > > > are quite open about it. > > > > > > > > > > http://jakarta.apache.org/jetspeed/site/index.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --joe > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Mete Kural [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:25 PM > > > > > To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > > Subject: Re: Has anyone tried to use struts > > with > > > > Epicentric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > > > You may also want to consider this open-source > > > > free > > > > > portal server which is built upon Struts. It's > > > > called > > > > > Liferay. It may save you a lot of money. I > > just > > > > > discovered this a few days ago. It's the only > > > > portal > > > > > server that I know of which is built upon > > Struts. > > > > Here > > > > > is a live demo to see some pre-built portlets > > that > > > > > come with it: http://my.liferay.com Go to the > > > > > "personalization" page to see a list of > > portlets > > > > > available. Some these available portlets are: > > > > > Shopping Cart > > > > > Message Board > > > > > Mail > > > > > Wiki > > > > > Calculator > > > > > Currency Converter > > > > > and many more. > > > > > > > > > > Their website is http://www.liferay.com > > > > > > > > > > Let me know what you think about it. I'm > > > > considering > > > > > using this portal server to develop our portal > > as > > > > > well. It may save us $$$$$. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Mete > > > > > > > > > > --- Mike Ehlers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > My company is in the process of working on > > the > > > > next > > > > > > generation of our site > > > > > > -- and we've decided to make it a portal. > > The > > > > > > person who makes decisions > > > > > > with regards to purchasing software is > > trying to > > > > > > steer us towards > > > > > > Epicentric. WebSphere is the other option. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like, ideally, to use struts for our > > > > > > presentation layer and I was > > > > > > wondering if anyone had tried to shoehorn > > struts > > > > > > into a Epicentric > > > > > > application. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > This communication is intended for the use of the > > individual(s) or entity it > > was addressed to and may contain confidential and/or > > privileged information. > > If the reader of this transmission is not the > > intended recipient, you are > > hereby notified that any review, dissemination, > > distribution or copying of > > this communication is prohibited. 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