Never laugh! I just finished a project integrating a legacy app written in FORTRAN into the back end of a Struts-fronted webapp. Maybe those FORTRAN guys are smarter than we think - we've all beaten our heads against the wall learning 6 different languages and porting all our stuff, and they are still using libraries they wrote 20 years ago.
LOL,
-jeff
On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 08:31 AM, Simon Kelly wrote:
Write your own cheques if you know FORTRAN!!
----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:22 PM Subject: RE: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
Yep. Once over 30 in IT your far too old to start already as far as mostto
employers are concerned. I gather that once over 35 you better have movedsome kind of managerial position already if you dont want it to be yourlastgig...not
(Disregard above if you know COBOL) ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: Alexandre Jaquet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 22:14 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
You had start when the market was pretty good. I've some friend who have finish their degree last year -september-(one 29, one 40 and another one 28) but they still didn't catch any job.
I finish my degree this year and I already have receive proposition from
three compagnies.
I think they are *to old* for most of the compagnies rigth now to employ
them
as junior developper.
-- Alexandre Jaquet
----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Bradeen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter?
Yep, Becky is right ... you are not alone. I am two years older than you
Rick, and I just got into software development 4 1/2 years ago. I came
from a mechanical design background (with a BS in Civil Engineering). I
get great support from my fellow developers here, but more often thanmuchI feel very much behind the 8-ball.
Susan Bradeen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 03/31/2003 08:03:22 AM Becky Norum wrote:
On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 23:44, Rick Reumann wrote:Does anyone else ever wake up going "Man, I feel overwhelmed. Toolatetoo learn, not enough time." I started this computer stuff ratherlearninglatein life and find it very difficult trying to pick out what to try
concentrate my learning in. Bottom line is I have to put food on the
table for the family so I have to concentrate in skill sets that are
valuable (and not just fun:). I started this computer stuff rathershouldin life (4 years ago and I'm 33 now) and constantly wonder "WhatI concentrate on learning next?" When you spend too much timeofaboutone area you fall behind in another. That's what I find so amazingand,some of these job applications- is they put down tons of skill setshonestlysure there might be a few that truly 'know' all of the skill sets listed, but rarely have I come across that many people that cansay they are proficient in all of them. Then it's also the Catch-22bestnotif you diverse too much you end up being "ok" at a lot of stuff butreally "good" at any one skill. It seems like in this market it'sit'stoto just concentrate on being very good at a few skill sets vs tryinglearn everything, but I could be totally wrong there. All and allWishjust very frustrating:) Ehhh I'm just venting... just ignore me.wasItowncould just start over and be a farmer in some little rural ho-dunkwhere my greatest concerns would be whether God was going to provide
enough rain for the crops.
Rick,
I often feel the way you do. I didn't get into programming until Igive24. (28 now..). Although I don't have children of my own, I also greatly value my time with my nephew, family and friends, and won'tmethat up to cram more knowledge into my head. It's also important tolivesto spend time exercising and pursuing non-computer hobbies.
I've accepted that I can't compete with the 16-year old hacker whobeingfor his/her computer. Heck, my little (23-yo) brother has startedO/Sthe one I ask about many things, not the other way around. ;)
You've got to keep your strengths in mind in order to stay positive.
What were you doing those years before you started working with
computers? I studied Biochemistry and worked a diverse range of jobs.
What are your interests outside of computers? If you end up doing
consulting, relating to clients is very important.
A close friend of mine a year older than you works as a specializeddegreecustomer support professional. She started programming, etc. when she
was 29. She took a position that allows her to use her technicalheryet emphasizes her "people" skills. Consistently, she receives very positive feedback from Fortune 500 companies, feedback that some oftomore "techie" coworkers do not, because they don't share her abilitytalk to individuals less technically savvy than themselves.
I guess all I'm saying is that you're not alone, and don't get discouraged. I can speak only for myself, but I have a lot of those moments. =)
-- Becky Norum Database Administrator Center for Subsurface Sensing and Imaging Systems (CenSSIS) Northeastern University http://www.censsis.neu.edu
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