Exception handling!?! Object Orientation!!!???!!!! Talking to another bloody language!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They killed FORTRAN! ..... You b*****ds!!! ((c) South Park) LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Jaquet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > looks good : > > "Fortran 2000 is an upwardly-compatible extension of the current Fortran > standard, Fortran 95, adding, among other things, support for exception > handling, object-oriented programming, and improved interoperability with > the C language. " > > Why not implement a framework like struts for fortran 2000 ? > Ok I shut up... > > looooooooool > -- > Alexandre Jaquet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Simon Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > > > > Please!! No bad language on this site!! ;-) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alexandre Jaquet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:42 PM > > Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > > > > > > > lol what's about fortran 2000 ;))) > > > http://www.j3-fortran.org/ > > > > > > -- > > > Alexandre Jaquet > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jeff Kyser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:38 PM > > > Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > > > > > > > > > > Never laugh! I just finished a project integrating a legacy app > > > > written in FORTRAN into the back end of a Struts-fronted webapp. > > > > Maybe those FORTRAN guys are smarter than we think - we've > > > > all beaten our heads against the wall learning 6 different languages > > > > and porting all our stuff, and they are still using libraries they > wrote > > > > 20 years ago. > > > > > > > > LOL, > > > > > > > > -jeff > > > > > > > > On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 08:31 AM, Simon Kelly wrote: > > > > > > > > > Write your own cheques if you know FORTRAN!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Andrew Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:22 PM > > > > > Subject: RE: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Yep. Once over 30 in IT your far too old to start already as far as > > > > >> most > > > > >> employers are concerned. I gather that once over 35 you better have > > > > >> moved > > > > > to > > > > >> some kind of managerial position already if you dont want it to be > > > > >> your > > > > > last > > > > >> gig... > > > > >> > > > > >> (Disregard above if you know COBOL) ;-) > > > > >> > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > > > > >> From: Alexandre Jaquet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 22:14 > > > > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List > > > > >> Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> You had start when the market was pretty good. I've some friend > > > > >> who have finish their degree last year -september-(one 29, one 40 > and > > > > >> another one > > > > >> 28) but they still didn't catch any job. > > > > >> > > > > >> I finish my degree this year and I already have receive proposition > > > > >> from > > > > >> three compagnies. > > > > >> > > > > >> I think they are *to old* for most of the compagnies rigth now to > > > > >> employ > > > > >> them > > > > >> as junior developper. > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> Alexandre Jaquet > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Susan Bradeen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:57 PM > > > > >> Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>> Yep, Becky is right ... you are not alone. I am two years older > than > > > > >>> you > > > > >>> Rick, and I just got into software development 4 1/2 years ago. I > > > > >>> came > > > > >>> from a mechanical design background (with a BS in Civil > > > > >>> Engineering). I > > > > >>> get great support from my fellow developers here, but more often > > than > > > > > not > > > > >>> I feel very much behind the 8-ball. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Susan Bradeen > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On 03/31/2003 08:03:22 AM Becky Norum wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 23:44, Rick Reumann wrote: > > > > >>>>> Does anyone else ever wake up going "Man, I feel overwhelmed. > Too > > > > > much > > > > >>>>> too learn, not enough time." I started this computer stuff > rather > > > > > late > > > > >>>>> in life and find it very difficult trying to pick out what to > try > > > > >>>>> concentrate my learning in. Bottom line is I have to put food on > > > > >>>>> the > > > > >>>>> table for the family so I have to concentrate in skill sets that > > > > >>>>> are > > > > >>>>> valuable (and not just fun:). I started this computer stuff > rather > > > > >>> late > > > > >>>>> in life (4 years ago and I'm 33 now) and constantly wonder "What > > > > >>> should > > > > >>>>> I concentrate on learning next?" When you spend too much time > > > > > learning > > > > >>>>> one area you fall behind in another. That's what I find so > amazing > > > > >>> about > > > > >>>>> some of these job applications- is they put down tons of skill > > sets > > > > >>> and, > > > > >>>>> sure there might be a few that truly 'know' all of the skill > sets > > > > >>>>> listed, but rarely have I come across that many people that can > > > > >>> honestly > > > > >>>>> say they are proficient in all of them. Then it's also the > > Catch-22 > > > > > of > > > > >>>>> if you diverse too much you end up being "ok" at a lot of stuff > > but > > > > >>> not > > > > >>>>> really "good" at any one skill. It seems like in this market > it's > > > > > best > > > > >>>>> to just concentrate on being very good at a few skill sets vs > > > > >>>>> trying > > > > >>> to > > > > >>>>> learn everything, but I could be totally wrong there. All and > all > > > > > it's > > > > >>>>> just very frustrating:) Ehhh I'm just venting... just ignore me. > > > > > Wish > > > > >>> I > > > > >>>>> could just start over and be a farmer in some little rural > ho-dunk > > > > >>> town > > > > >>>>> where my greatest concerns would be whether God was going to > > > > >>>>> provide > > > > >>>>> enough rain for the crops. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Rick, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> I often feel the way you do. I didn't get into programming until > I > > > > > was > > > > >>>> 24. (28 now..). Although I don't have children of my own, I also > > > > >>>> greatly value my time with my nephew, family and friends, and > won't > > > > > give > > > > >>>> that up to cram more knowledge into my head. It's also important > > to > > > > > me > > > > >>>> to spend time exercising and pursuing non-computer hobbies. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> I've accepted that I can't compete with the 16-year old hacker > who > > > > > lives > > > > >>>> for his/her computer. Heck, my little (23-yo) brother has > started > > > > > being > > > > >>>> the one I ask about many things, not the other way around. ;) > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> You've got to keep your strengths in mind in order to stay > > positive. > > > > >>>> What were you doing those years before you started working with > > > > >>>> computers? I studied Biochemistry and worked a diverse range of > > > > >>>> jobs. > > > > >>>> What are your interests outside of computers? If you end up > doing > > > > >>>> consulting, relating to clients is very important. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> A close friend of mine a year older than you works as a > specialized > > > > > O/S > > > > >>>> customer support professional. She started programming, etc. > when > > > > >>>> she > > > > >>>> was 29. She took a position that allows her to use her technical > > > > > degree > > > > >>>> yet emphasizes her "people" skills. Consistently, she receives > > very > > > > >>>> positive feedback from Fortune 500 companies, feedback that some > of > > > > > her > > > > >>>> more "techie" coworkers do not, because they don't share her > > ability > > > > > to > > > > >>>> talk to individuals less technically savvy than themselves. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> I guess all I'm saying is that you're not alone, and don't get > > > > >>>> discouraged. I can speak only for myself, but I have a lot of > > those > > > > >>>> moments. =) > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >>>> Becky Norum > > > > >>>> Database Administrator > > > > >>>> Center for Subsurface Sensing and Imaging Systems (CenSSIS) > > > > >>>> Northeastern University > > > > >>>> http://www.censsis.neu.edu > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>>> - > > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
