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----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexandre Jaquet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > lol what's about fortran 2000 ;))) > http://www.j3-fortran.org/ > > -- > Alexandre Jaquet > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Kyser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > > > > Never laugh! I just finished a project integrating a legacy app > > written in FORTRAN into the back end of a Struts-fronted webapp. > > Maybe those FORTRAN guys are smarter than we think - we've > > all beaten our heads against the wall learning 6 different languages > > and porting all our stuff, and they are still using libraries they wrote > > 20 years ago. > > > > LOL, > > > > -jeff > > > > On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 08:31 AM, Simon Kelly wrote: > > > > > Write your own cheques if you know FORTRAN!! > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Andrew Hill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 4:22 PM > > > Subject: RE: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > > > > > > > > >> Yep. Once over 30 in IT your far too old to start already as far as > > >> most > > >> employers are concerned. I gather that once over 35 you better have > > >> moved > > > to > > >> some kind of managerial position already if you dont want it to be > > >> your > > > last > > >> gig... > > >> > > >> (Disregard above if you know COBOL) ;-) > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Alexandre Jaquet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Sent: Monday, 31 March 2003 22:14 > > >> To: Struts Users Mailing List > > >> Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > > >> > > >> > > >> You had start when the market was pretty good. I've some friend > > >> who have finish their degree last year -september-(one 29, one 40 and > > >> another one > > >> 28) but they still didn't catch any job. > > >> > > >> I finish my degree this year and I already have receive proposition > > >> from > > >> three compagnies. > > >> > > >> I think they are *to old* for most of the compagnies rigth now to > > >> employ > > >> them > > >> as junior developper. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Alexandre Jaquet > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Susan Bradeen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:57 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [OT] overwhelmed [was] Re: Does a degree matter? > > >> > > >> > > >>> Yep, Becky is right ... you are not alone. I am two years older than > > >>> you > > >>> Rick, and I just got into software development 4 1/2 years ago. I > > >>> came > > >>> from a mechanical design background (with a BS in Civil > > >>> Engineering). I > > >>> get great support from my fellow developers here, but more often than > > > not > > >>> I feel very much behind the 8-ball. > > >>> > > >>> Susan Bradeen > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 03/31/2003 08:03:22 AM Becky Norum wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> On Sun, 2003-03-30 at 23:44, Rick Reumann wrote: > > >>>>> Does anyone else ever wake up going "Man, I feel overwhelmed. Too > > > much > > >>>>> too learn, not enough time." I started this computer stuff rather > > > late > > >>>>> in life and find it very difficult trying to pick out what to try > > >>>>> concentrate my learning in. Bottom line is I have to put food on > > >>>>> the > > >>>>> table for the family so I have to concentrate in skill sets that > > >>>>> are > > >>>>> valuable (and not just fun:). I started this computer stuff rather > > >>> late > > >>>>> in life (4 years ago and I'm 33 now) and constantly wonder "What > > >>> should > > >>>>> I concentrate on learning next?" When you spend too much time > > > learning > > >>>>> one area you fall behind in another. That's what I find so amazing > > >>> about > > >>>>> some of these job applications- is they put down tons of skill sets > > >>> and, > > >>>>> sure there might be a few that truly 'know' all of the skill sets > > >>>>> listed, but rarely have I come across that many people that can > > >>> honestly > > >>>>> say they are proficient in all of them. Then it's also the Catch-22 > > > of > > >>>>> if you diverse too much you end up being "ok" at a lot of stuff but > > >>> not > > >>>>> really "good" at any one skill. It seems like in this market it's > > > best > > >>>>> to just concentrate on being very good at a few skill sets vs > > >>>>> trying > > >>> to > > >>>>> learn everything, but I could be totally wrong there. All and all > > > it's > > >>>>> just very frustrating:) Ehhh I'm just venting... just ignore me. > > > Wish > > >>> I > > >>>>> could just start over and be a farmer in some little rural ho-dunk > > >>> town > > >>>>> where my greatest concerns would be whether God was going to > > >>>>> provide > > >>>>> enough rain for the crops. > > >>>> > > >>>> Rick, > > >>>> > > >>>> I often feel the way you do. I didn't get into programming until I > > > was > > >>>> 24. (28 now..). Although I don't have children of my own, I also > > >>>> greatly value my time with my nephew, family and friends, and won't > > > give > > >>>> that up to cram more knowledge into my head. It's also important to > > > me > > >>>> to spend time exercising and pursuing non-computer hobbies. > > >>>> > > >>>> I've accepted that I can't compete with the 16-year old hacker who > > > lives > > >>>> for his/her computer. Heck, my little (23-yo) brother has started > > > being > > >>>> the one I ask about many things, not the other way around. ;) > > >>>> > > >>>> You've got to keep your strengths in mind in order to stay positive. > > >>>> What were you doing those years before you started working with > > >>>> computers? I studied Biochemistry and worked a diverse range of > > >>>> jobs. > > >>>> What are your interests outside of computers? If you end up doing > > >>>> consulting, relating to clients is very important. > > >>>> > > >>>> A close friend of mine a year older than you works as a specialized > > > O/S > > >>>> customer support professional. She started programming, etc. when > > >>>> she > > >>>> was 29. She took a position that allows her to use her technical > > > degree > > >>>> yet emphasizes her "people" skills. Consistently, she receives very > > >>>> positive feedback from Fortune 500 companies, feedback that some of > > > her > > >>>> more "techie" coworkers do not, because they don't share her ability > > > to > > >>>> talk to individuals less technically savvy than themselves. > > >>>> > > >>>> I guess all I'm saying is that you're not alone, and don't get > > >>>> discouraged. I can speak only for myself, but I have a lot of those > > >>>> moments. =) > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Becky Norum > > >>>> Database Administrator > > >>>> Center for Subsurface Sensing and Imaging Systems (CenSSIS) > > >>>> Northeastern University > > >>>> http://www.censsis.neu.edu > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>> - > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
