Thanks for your feedback sir ! On Sun, 19 Mar, 2023, 23:20 Lionel Laské, <lionel.la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, > > Thanks for your suggestions. > To optimize the process and avoid mail pollution, if you want to suggest > some improvements, please open an issue here > <https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer/issues/> (one by suggestion) and > wait for our reply. > > However, to complete other answers from the list, I think that before > doing suggestions you should take in consideration few things about > Sugar/Sugarizer > - It's targeted for children between 6 and 12, some of them can't read (so > we tend to avoid "text") and some of them have never used a computer before > (so applying what you think as "usual" icon is not necessarily a good idea). > - It works both on computer and touch devices so concept of tooltip and > cursor are not always appropriate > - It was thought for children that could have visual disability so a > colorful screen is not always the best thing to do > - We expect that children could focus on activities so we tend to avoid > multiple windows > > It's nice to have suggestions from beginners. By the way I tend to > privilegiate suggestions coming from the field (children, teachers) from > suggestions coming from tech guys. > We're doing software for education, not for tech people. > > Regards. > > Lionel > > > Le mer. 15 mars 2023 à 15:27, MR. OPTIMIST <panuj7...@gmail.com> a écrit : > >> Hello Lionel sir and sugar community, >> I have proposed few changes to Sugarizer UI and I guess few >> changes are worth adopting. I would be thankful if you once check the >> document, if you find that changes will actually make difference to the UI >> and user experience then please give your feedback. So that i can >> contribute to the proposed changes. >> I have proposed changes and given them numerical identification and also >> shared the document in editable format so you find any changes can be made >> please give your feedback. >> >> Document link:: Click me to open !! >> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing> >> >> Thank you. >> >> On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 1:22 AM James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote: >> >>> Thanks. I looked at the document previously and saw some of the >>> proposed changes are immediately suitable for being proposed in our usual >>> workflow, but I'm not the person who will be approving the changes, so I >>> won't be specific about them. >>> >>> I am maintainer of the GTK Implode activity, but your changes are for >>> the Sugarizer version. >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 02:03:05AM +0530, MR. OPTIMIST wrote: >>> > Hello James Cameron sir, >>> > Thanks for your feedback. I agree with you that sugar is an >>> > educational platform and it does not look like flooding things on the >>> internet >>> > but user experience plays a vital role in any of the platforms be it >>> commercial >>> > or non profitable. Just a simple question: will you use a phone with >>> no broken >>> > or no display, Same is user experience. So if we can improve, why >>> shouldn't we >>> > improve ? >>> > >>> > Also I would be thankful if you kindly let me know which of the >>> proposed >>> > changes seems to reasonable So that I can further proceed with further >>> > contribution. >>> > Proposed document link:-[1]click me to open >>> > >>> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 1:29 AM James Cameron <[2]qu...@laptop.org> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Some of the changes proposed seem reasonable, but they aren't in >>> the right >>> > form for review; they need to be pull requests against the >>> appropriate >>> > repository. >>> > >>> > I don't think we're using the older design review committee >>> process any >>> > longer, and it should not be revived. The pull request review >>> process is >>> > sufficient. In the case of Sugarizer, that's the process that >>> Lionel has >>> > preferred. >>> > >>> > However, as someone who works in science research, the proposal >>> does not >>> > seem to have been researched, but is rather a collection of ideas >>> that >>> > would be suitable for changing Sugarizer using A/B testing for the >>> goal of >>> > increasing engagement and selling advertising. Neither of these >>> are >>> > intended, it's an educational project. Sugar and Sugarizer don't >>> have to >>> > look like everything else on the internet, and starting with that >>> premise >>> > is an error. >>> > >>> > On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 04:35:27PM +0530, MR. OPTIMIST wrote: >>> > > Thanks Alex Sir, >>> > > Your response to email is very much >>> appreciated. >>> > Sorry >>> > > for the late reply. >>> > > >>> > > I love to mention that I have used sugarizer for many days and I >>> also >>> > know that >>> > > its UI has been designed with the vision that it's gonna be used >>> by >>> > childrens. >>> > > My point is that sugarizer was developed back in 2013 and the >>> internet >>> > > revolution at the time was very less in comparison to 2023. The >>> UI and Ux >>> > terms >>> > > were not that considerable at that time and everyone didn't had >>> access to >>> > the >>> > > mobile phones and internet, But as of now in 2023 the childrens >>> from 1 or >>> > even >>> > > less than that start using technical devices and the UX is what >>> first >>> > thing >>> > > that they interact with like games and other applications.So the >>> UI of >>> > > sugarizer is not matching with the need of today's generation >>> which >>> > reduces the >>> > > user interest (research) to use the platform. So my point is we >>> can work >>> > to >>> > > enhance its UI to meet today's need and increase the interaction >>> time of >>> > the >>> > > users of our product. >>> > > >>> > > Considering my skills, I'm a second year engineering student and >>> a self >>> > > learner, I have done multiple projects on AI based applications >>> and >>> > developed 2 >>> > > websites as of now. To authenticate my words hereby i have >>> listed all my >>> > > projects in my github account and link of my github account is:- >>> > > [1] [3]https://www.github/Anujverma89 >>> > > >>> > > Considering what part of the product and UI can be modified to >>> give new >>> > user >>> > > experience, I have done research and explained it in the given >>> pdf you >>> > can view >>> > > it thoroughly. >>> > > Here is the link :- >>> > > [2]Click me to open !! >>> > > >>> > > Your suggestions on changeable topics(UI) will be highly >>> appreciated !! >>> > > Thank You.. >>> > > >>> > > On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 12:18 AM Alex Perez <[3][4] >>> ape...@alexperez.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Anuj, >>> > > >>> > > I appreciate your enthusiasm, and welcome. Before any UI >>> re-design >>> > would be >>> > > considered, we would require detailed written analysis of >>> what the >>> > goals >>> > > are for such a re-design, what's "wrong" with the current >>> design, and >>> > what >>> > > your qualifications are for making what are largely >>> subjective >>> > changes. >>> > > While everyone has opinions on UI design, engineers are often >>> > infamous for >>> > > designing awful user interfaces. Please share with us what >>> sorts >>> > > qualifications you possess that would qualify you to make UI >>> design >>> > changes >>> > > to Sugar/Sugarizer. >>> > > >>> > > Have you ever used Sugar for more than a few hours, or a >>> day? If so, >>> > which >>> > > elements do you feel should be changed? If you have not used >>> Sugar >>> > > extensively, I would argue that you likely lack sufficient >>> experience >>> > to >>> > > propose such changes. >>> > > >>> > > The Sugar/Sugarizer UI was primarily designed for children >>> of a >>> > specific >>> > > age range. Almost all design decisions stem from that basic >>> premise. >>> > Have >>> > > you considered this? >>> > > >>> > > Regards, >>> > > Alex Perez >>> > > >>> > > MR. OPTIMIST wrote on 3/10/23 10:24 AM: >>> > > >>> > > Hello everyone ! >>> > > I am Anuj Verma from Maharashtra, India >>> majoring >>> > in >>> > > computer science and engineering. I have worked in >>> > multiple projects >>> > > and web applications including AI projects. >>> > > I have checked the sugarizer, it's pretty good but I >>> believe it's >>> > UI >>> > > can be improved. Like we >>> > > can add links to words as well as icons, we can improve >>> icons as >>> > well >>> > > which is less user friendly(in my opinion).I have >>> experience of >>> > working >>> > > with many projects but have not worked on open >>> source yet. I'm >>> > > writing to seek further comments and be open to >>> constructive >>> > feedback >>> > > and criticism. Your response to this mail will be highly >>> > appreciated. >>> > > >>> > > References: >>> > > >>> > > [1] [5]https://www.github/Anujverma89 >>> > > [2] [6]https://docs.google.com/document/d/ >>> > 1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing >>> > > [3] mailto:[7]ape...@alexperez.com >>> > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Sugar-devel mailing list >>> > > [8]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> > > [9]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Sugar-devel mailing list >>> > [10]Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> > [11]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> > >>> > References: >>> > >>> > [1] >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing >>> > [2] mailto:qu...@laptop.org >>> > [3] https://www.github/Anujverma89 >>> > [4] mailto:ape...@alexperez.com >>> > [5] https://www.github/Anujverma89 >>> > [6] >>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing >>> > [7] mailto:ape...@alexperez.com >>> > [8] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> > [9] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> > [10] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> > [11] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>> >>
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