That sounds like the best way to go. I was pretty worried about brush streaks and how to make them into artistic parts of the design.
This would have been MUCH easier if I had done it before the window was installed. I could have done the well style faux stained glass. The one where you use the squirt bottle style "leading" then pool the stain into the spaces and it flows and colors pretty evenly. But I did not even consider doing this until after the window went in. Having it printed and gluing it in would seem the best solution. It will look better and I can use some stock artwork and digital manipulation as well. Thank you! Karon Adams Accredited Jewelry Professional (GIA) You can send a free Rosary to a soldier! www.facebook.com/MilitaryRosary www.YellowRibbonRosaries.com From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FW: mock stained glass sundial Karon- Yes, the frog dial has a point-in-space style- a nodus. I have one comment about glass painting your faux stained glass.. I'm sure you know that the best glass paints are vitrious kiln-fired paints that require several coats and firings to get good coverage. But it's hard to do and requires special equipment and experience. So I'm betting that you are not considering this type of paint and are planning on using normal enamel paint instead. Enamel paints (even those recommended for glass) look very streaky and messy on glass. It's almost impossible to get an even coat. And if you put too much paint on the glass to get rid of the streakiness, they don't transmit light and you won't see a shadow either! For the BSS conference in Oxford England, I made a display of about fifty faux stained glass sundials using images of stained glass sundials printed on milky white translucent plastic paper. (Kodak Reverse Print Backlight Film / 6 mil) It comes in any size. If you design your sundial in photoshop and print it on this paper, there will be no streaks. It's wonderful for faux stained glass. You just glue it to the inside of the window. I'll send you a photo of the display off list. John From: karon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:52 AM To: 'John Carmichael'; [email protected] Subject: RE: mock stained glass sundial I like the Nodus option. I can attach that to the Window Frame and go from there. Is that the design you used for the frog? He was cute<G> I am not doing real stained glass on this, I am actually going to paint the window itself. So, the design will be on the inside pane of the double paned glass. It would be easy enough to design a nodus point to place in the point in space for the gnomon and then just attach that to the wood frame of the window. That would be the best option, I think, and give me what I need. Maybe something shaped like a spade, as in the spades on a playing card. That would give me a nice, graceful shape, a pointer, and I could set it so that a specific part of that would be my calendar date. I had hoped to mark the date on it somehow. This sounds like a plan. when I have it done, I'll take a pic and post it. Karon Adams Accredited Jewelry Professional (GIA) You can send a free Rosary to a soldier! www.facebook.com/MilitaryRosary www.YellowRibbonRosaries.com From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Carmichael Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: mock stained glass sundial Karon- Since you are dead set against attaching the gnomon to the exterior glass pane of your double pane window, I only see a couple of alternatives: 1. Inside Mounting- This is your plan of support strut(s) attached to the window frame that hold the gnomon in place above the glass. I'm not a big fan of gnomon support struts unless they are absolutely necessary because they cast ugly confusing shadows on the sundial. Using this option, your sundial would be mounted or hung inside the house next to the interior glass pane. I'd put thin rubber or foam spacers between the dial and the glass pane to avoid contact with the interior glass pane. If you change the design so that it only requires a point-in-space nodus, you would not need any support struts. You could simply attach a single rod to the exterior window frame or the building wall next to the top of the window. This rod could be attached anywhere that's convenient and its angle isn't important and doesn't need to be aligned with the polar axis because only the shadow of the rod's tip is used to tell time. It has a additional advantage in that it can also be used to tell the date if you want date lines. I like this option a lot. I have a photo of a dial like this somewhere on the SGS website, but I can't find it. 2. Outside Mounting- You could hang your sundial outside of the window (again using thin rubber spacers to avoid contact with the exterior glass pane). With the dial mounted outside, you could attach the gnomon directly to the glass or the metal came without using support struts. From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of karon Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: mock stained glass sundial It is a double insulated window so I don't want to attach anything directly to the window. If I did attach to the window, it might cause the vacuum to break. Even if it didn't, it could void the warranty. I had considered doing a real stained glass piece and hang it inside the window but that is just more space to leave open before the style appears. That was why I was thinking a floating style. I planned to use a Polar Axis (triangle) style. Basically, it would be the same thing as one attached to the surface but with the bottom chopped off. Imagine you took the triangle and drilled a couple of holes in it 2 inches up, ran poles through them, then cut off the part below the poles. That is what I am thinking of doing. That leaves the tip of the style in the same point in space, it just leaves an open space between the bottom of the triangle and the window. I will probably extend the tip of the style beyond the end of the triangle, just so it is easier to read in summer, but, it will still be, basically, a polar style. Karon Adams Accredited Jewelry Professional (GIA) You can send a free Rosary to a soldier! www.facebook.com/MilitaryRosary www.YellowRibbonRosaries.com From: John Carmichael [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:24 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: mock stained glass sundial Karon- We might be able to help better you if you give us a little more information. Will your stained glass sundial design require a polar axis style (a triangular sheet or angled rod) or a point-in-space style (also called a nodus)? What can't you attach the style to the window glass? There are several ways to do this. Here are two webpages that may help you: http://advanceassociates.com/Sundials/Stained_Glass/TechInfo.html http://www.sundialsoc.org.uk/Bulletin/Bulletin-23ii-Carmichael.pdf John Carmichael From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of karon Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 3:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: mock stained glass sundial Ok, so I have the insulated windows but I want a stained glass sundial. So, I plan to paint a sundial on the window frame using glass paint. The only problem is, I cannot actually mount the style to the window. So, I want to back check with you guys. what I am thinking about doing is, paint the dial as planned. Then, I'll make a paper style and use that to check my distance. I can mount two bars across the window 2-3 inches away from the window. I can attach the actual style to the bars. So, I can use the paper style to adjust the amount of material I need to leave off the bottom of the style to have the correct shadow. In effect, I am creating a floating style. What do you guys think. I wanted to check with folks who have done real stained glass and see if you think the floating style will work. Karon Adams Accredited Jewelry Professional (GIA) You can send a free Rosary to a soldier! www.facebook.com/MilitaryRosary www.YellowRibbonRosaries.com
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