Phillip Jones wrote:
Daniel wrote:
Chris Ilias wrote:
On 10-02-23 10:38 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Chris Ilias wrote:
On 10-02-23 2:42 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
Chris Ilias wrote:
On 10-02-22 12:34 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
And the developers here have told me to shut up or write my own
code,
and that's not an option. I'm not a programmer, so I can't solve
the
problem.
* That's not the point. Just because someone disagrees with you
about
a feature, doesn't mean they're joking.
* Could you please link me to where you were told to shut up?
From all
the threads I've read here, the response to complaints about the
forms
manager has been:
-- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there
now, so continuing to use the old for form manager requires
coding the
is specific to SeaMonkey.
-- There was not enough resources to code the SeaMonkey form manager
in 2.0, but we'd on getting it in the next major release.
-- Help coding it would be appreciated.
1) My synopsis may have been over-dramatic, but that was the gist of
what I heard in this forum. I don't have time to go searching through
months and months of postings to find chapter and verse, sorry. It's
probably not news to you that after a month of bitching and kvetching
from all sides, some developers reached the end of their ropes and
started sounding exasperated.
It /is/ news to me. I have been reading this newsgroup since it was
created and have never seen SeaMonkey developers tell someone to shut
up. If you make the time to accuse them, you should make the time to
back it up. Mozilla is not interested in building communities around
people who make false accusations.
There is a searchable archive of this at
<http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey>.
As I said already, the accusation may have been false technically
("shut
up" was not the precise phrase used), but that was the gist of what I
read here -- that they were tired of the complaints about the Form
Manager and didn't want to hear it anymore.
I'm not going to get into a petty semantic debate over precisely who
said what to whom or precisely what word means what; it's above both of
us. Please try to see past the details to the big picture, which is
that
a lot of people complained and we hit a dead end.
The way not to get into that debate is to provide a link to the actual
post. By stating that you were told to shut up, you are giving the
message that that was actually said. No-one should have to force to you
clarify "shut up was not the precise phrase used".
Nowhere in my interpretation do you see an indication that users were
told to shut up in any form. As I said,
<quote>
* Could you please link me to where you were told to shut up? From all
the threads I've read here, the response to complaints about the forms
manager has been:
-- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there now,
so continuing to use the old for form manager requires coding the is
specific to SeaMonkey.
-- There was not enough resources to code the SeaMonkey form manager in
2.0, but we'd on getting it in the next major release.
-- Help coding it would be appreciated.
</quote>
Do you see any paraphrase of "shut up" in there?
Chris, you forgot to mention that one of the regulars here posted a link
to a program that, sort of, worked with SM to do the Form Manager work,
in rough form maybe, but still...
And then again someone took that program and modified it so it would
work better as an extension of SM 2.x.
Doesn't seem to me that the posters here don't care!!
Daniel
That poster you mention is Mr Chee. not exactly a run of the mill poster
he all his work on MozDev. In fact I say he is one of the very few
*developers* that brave coming into these support groups. You don't see
Asa coming here and braving having arrows flung.
I visit one of the developer groups and on occasion have spoken up (I
wasted my breath because it was a done deal). and many of the people
there, I didn't know even know even existed. (Most don't wish to get
their hands dirty. Or know better than the user. :-( )
I have to give Phil Chee credit where due. He listened to all the
complaints and came up with something. Is it perfect solution? No. is it
better than not having it, yes by 2000 times.
I would call that "damned by faint praise." It deserves better, his solution is
really functionally quite good, and the user interface is usable. I certainly
can move forward to other issues, flatten one nail and more stick up. ;-)
My list of things which really piss me off is down to two, and one is a one time
problem while the other probably really would take a change in the common TB
code and isn't happening. I guess that means I'm as happy as I'm going to be.
--
Bill Davidsen <[email protected]>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
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