On 24.02.2010 00:22, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: --- Original Message ---
> Chris Ilias wrote: > >> On 10-02-23 10:38 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>> Chris Ilias wrote: >>>> On 10-02-23 2:42 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>>>> Chris Ilias wrote: >>>>>> On 10-02-22 12:34 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And the developers here have told me to shut up or write my own >>>>>>> code, >>>>>>> and that's not an option. I'm not a programmer, so I can't solve the >>>>>>> problem. >>>>>> >>>>>> * That's not the point. Just because someone disagrees with you about >>>>>> a feature, doesn't mean they're joking. >>>>>> >>>>>> * Could you please link me to where you were told to shut up? From >>>>>> all >>>>>> the threads I've read here, the response to complaints about the >>>>>> forms >>>>>> manager has been: >>>>>> -- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there >>>>>> now, so continuing to use the old for form manager requires coding >>>>>> the >>>>>> is specific to SeaMonkey. >>>>>> -- There was not enough resources to code the SeaMonkey form manager >>>>>> in 2.0, but we'd on getting it in the next major release. >>>>>> -- Help coding it would be appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> 1) My synopsis may have been over-dramatic, but that was the gist of >>>>> what I heard in this forum. I don't have time to go searching through >>>>> months and months of postings to find chapter and verse, sorry. It's >>>>> probably not news to you that after a month of bitching and kvetching >>>>> from all sides, some developers reached the end of their ropes and >>>>> started sounding exasperated. >>>> >>>> It /is/ news to me. I have been reading this newsgroup since it was >>>> created and have never seen SeaMonkey developers tell someone to shut >>>> up. If you make the time to accuse them, you should make the time to >>>> back it up. Mozilla is not interested in building communities around >>>> people who make false accusations. >>>> There is a searchable archive of this at >>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey>. >>> >>> As I said already, the accusation may have been false technically ("shut >>> up" was not the precise phrase used), but that was the gist of what I >>> read here -- that they were tired of the complaints about the Form >>> Manager and didn't want to hear it anymore. >>> >>> I'm not going to get into a petty semantic debate over precisely who >>> said what to whom or precisely what word means what; it's above both of >>> us. Please try to see past the details to the big picture, which is that >>> a lot of people complained and we hit a dead end. >> >> The way not to get into that debate is to provide a link to the actual >> post. By stating that you were told to shut up, you are giving the >> message that that was actually said. No-one should have to force to >> you clarify "shut up was not the precise phrase used". >> >> Nowhere in my interpretation do you see an indication that users were >> told to shut up in any form. As I said, >> <quote> >> * Could you please link me to where you were told to shut up? From all >> the threads I've read here, the response to complaints about the forms >> manager has been: >> -- The Form manager in the shared Mozilla codebase is what is there >> now, so continuing to use the old for form manager requires coding the >> is specific to SeaMonkey. >> -- There was not enough resources to code the SeaMonkey form manager >> in 2.0, but we'd on getting it in the next major release. >> -- Help coding it would be appreciated. >> </quote> >> >> Do you see any paraphrase of "shut up" in there? > > I give up. This is pointless. > > Count this as a "victory" if you like, though I'll be damned if I can > see what you've gained by it. > It's common practice in most open-source communities to tell you to write your own code if you are perceived to be whining (not saying YOU are/did) about the exclusion of a feature/function. It all depends on the tone in which it is written which is difficult to actually "hear". ;-) I think that's what Chris is alluding to and not the actual words "shut up" and I think that is what you are saying as well. IOW, if you don't like these groups then go start your own server. :-D <= note smiley!! -- Jay Garcia - Netscape/Flock Champion www.ufaq.org Netscape - Flock - Firefox - Thunderbird - Seamonkey Support _______________________________________________ support-seamonkey mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
