> Hi Michael,
> thanks for the reply - there is no doubt Ive missed something !
> I am aware of the need for W coordinate and have included it in my encoder
> as instructed although I have to admit I am still not clear on its
> function  - but my question specifically relates to the information gained
> from the 3 fig of eight patterns gained form a mic design such as this one :
>
> http://www.shapeways.com/model/143678/velan-140-internals.html
>
> Am I right in thinking the W component gives you enhanced distance
> information for a given sound source ?

thansk again for your patience,
Gus

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> On 26 May 2012 15:08, Michael Chapman <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> > I think I may be having a microphone epiphany or at least what smug
>> > boffins
>> > might call "an intuitive understanding" but please feel free to correct
>> > any
>> > errors in my thinking. In using a six capsule (or 3 capsule) microphone
>> > setup with 3 figure of eight pairs this gives you localisation
>> information
>> > based on the pressure gradient between each of these pairs (given by the
>> > antiphase ?) . This pressure gradient gives you the localisation of the
>> > sound on any of the given axis (X,Y,Z) and with this information you can
>> > get the localisation of the sound in a sphere ? Is this correct , or
>> even
>> > vaguely correct ?
>> >
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>> I won't comment in details as either
>> -you've missed something, or
>> -I have misunderstood.
>>
>> If you have three ribbon microphones (one on each axis), or
>> some other 'figure of eight' microphones, you will never
>> get ambisonics.
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>> Just as two (what is, in fact, Blumlein stereo) will never give
>> you 2-D / pantophonic ambisonics.
>>
>> You need the zero-order component ('W') as well.
>>
>> Two figure of eights and an omni will give you X,Y and from the
>> omni: W.
>> But obviously trying to put all that lot in the same spot in space at
>> the same time has led to simpler approaches ;-)>
>>
>> You need the sum, as well as the differences ...
>>
>> Michael
>>
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