OkŽ,
I didn't mean to attack you. I think it's great the way you treat your
animals!

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Pieter Koole
Netherlands



Original Message -----
From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2003 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] McDonald's Tries To Phase Out Use of Antibiotics In
Meat


> The animals might not notice or understand what is going on, but I do.  I
> believe we are all connected and to abuse one part of our world or Gaia,
is
> to abuse ourselves.  I have a much richer humus to put on my fields to
> fertilize them and build up their abilities to feed me and my animals,
> because I have the animals.  I could not even grow vegetables without my
> dogs, for the wild critters, eat it before it is ripe enough for me.  My
> dogs eat a natural diet, bones and raw food, so I am back to keeping
> animals for food.
>
> My animals are allowed to be who they are, for example:  My pigs have a
mud
> pit.  My ducks are loose and have a pond all to themselves.  This is part
> of raising animals with a conscience.
>
> Bright Blessings,
> Kim
>
> At 04:45 PM 6/20/2003 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hello Kim,
> >I am a vegetarian, so I think I am allowed to ask you this question :
> >Do you think that animals notice wether or not they are getting drugs ?
> >A horse doesn't know he's a lot stronger you are, but still you're his
boss,
> >and he is happy with it ( as long as you take care for him ).
> >There are a lot of things we wouldn't like, because we have emotions,
wich
> >animals don't have (in our way).
> >Due to my profession, I have studied thousands of animals in their
behaviour
> >( ethologist ) and I never found any difference between "drug treated"
> >animals and "not treated" animals.
> >Animals just go frustrated, when they cannot show their natural habits,
like
> >grazing for a cow, or rolling in the mud for a pig. They need to do so,
just
> >because they are a certain kind of animal.
> >
> >
> >Met vriendelijke groeten,
> >Pieter Koole
> >Netherlands
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
> >Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 2:02 PM
> >Subject: Re: [biofuel] McDonald's Tries To Phase Out Use of Antibiotics
In
> >Meat
> >
> >
> > > People who raise their own animals usually give it a name.  Something
like
> > > pork chop, t-bone or dinner for adults, snackettes for  babies etc.
Right
> > > now, in this part of Texas, the only people doing strictly grass fed
are
> > > small producers.  I only eat animals that have been raised naturally,
by
> > > which I mean with their natural diet requiring no drugs to make it
> > > work.  The animals also must have had happy, non-tortured lives with
no
> > > transport before death.
> > > Bright Blessings,
> > > Kim
> > >
> > > At 11:02 AM 6/20/2003 +0100, you wrote:
> > > >Re:
> > > >
> > > > > My standard is basically, if it didn't have a name, and I don't
know
> >who
> > > > > raised it, I'm a vegatarian.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bright Blessings,
> > > > > KIm
> > > >
> > > >Hi Kim
> > > >
> > > >When you say something doesn't have a name, what does that mean?
> > > >
> > > >Regards
> > > >
> > > >Andrew
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Andrew Preston
> > > >
> > > >http://www.fastmail.fm
> > > >
> > > >
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