What do you think of www.genesisworldenergy.com ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] The Hydrogen hype, "the scam artists at work".
> This is quite interesting to say the least. > > >Here is what you said: > > > >"...To make 10 kW of Hydrogen from renewable source like electrolysis of > >water, > >you need 9 kW of electricity...." > > Please define a renewable resource called "electrolysis of water". I am unable to determine this as a renewable anything. > > I think we are having a ball arguing over the same thing that is being defined here, "NOTHING"!! > > Let's produce some viable options that will help the cause of what we are all trying to accomplish, alternative energy solutions. > > Bob > > > > > > > > MM, > > So this is the only correct definition, > > Power is kW(s) per second and energy is kWh per hour? > > Anything else is absolutely wrong? > > cannot energy be kWm per minute? > > The only defined is power Watt/second, if we keep to Watt. > > If I want to specify energy, I could do it in kWyear or any defined time > period. > Who is saying that I cannot do that? > > So talking about power in kWh is absolutely and definitely wrong, because > we have an exact definition on this. > > Energy is power multiplied by time, but we have no exact definition on what > time period to use, other than it must be a multiple related to seconds. > > So tell me what is wrong in my statement. I was told in an earlier posting > that it should be the other way around. You put in 10 kW(whatevertime) and > got out 9 kW(whatevertime) Hydrogen. My answer on this was that I have > seen these numbers also, but wanted to take the most positive numbers that > I have seen. This to avoid accusations of being overly negative. If you can > point > me to information on better numbers in practical situations, I will be true > to my > statement and use them. It has also been pointed out in a posting that the > theoretical limit without any losses is an efficiency of 33.33%. > > I do not necessary want to make anything worse or better than it is. > > Hakan > > > At 05:26 PM 6/30/2003 -0700, you wrote: > > >>Second: Your figures are in power instead of energy. You have quoted kW > > >>instead > > >>of kWh. > > > > > >I have done a mathematically correct simplification. The time factor can > > >and should > > >be excluded, if it is the same. You will have a hard time with me, if you > > >argue this. > > > >Here is what you said: > > > >"...To make 10 kW of Hydrogen from renewable source like electrolysis of > >water, > >you need 9 kW of electricity...." > > > >I don't want a hard time with anyone, but your statement is either physically > >impossible or in the wrong units or both (I vote for "both"). You have not > >addressed that, despite your responses. Never mind time factors, Hydrogen > >storage, whatever. Your statement is just plain wrong, as best I can tell. > > > >MM > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://archive.nnytech.net/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
