Well, Maud. A bit like an exercise for student reporters - that sort of fact-extraction can paint any picture you like. It's an exercise on how not to do it. Yes, I know you said it's what was significant to you, but I'd have to say that I'd paint a quite different picture, so would Todd I reckon, and maybe Quinn would too. And I wouldn't say that everything I'd skipped was "dust". To take just one point, in what you attribute to me, there's something of a world of difference between this:
>I?), and Keith agreed to post them on JtoF. ... and this: >Nonetheless, if you come up with Middle Way solutions that fit our >criteria I'd be more than happy to give them space at JtF's processor >section. The difference isn't just "dust". No doubt Quinn would dismiss this as just quibbling over semantics, but try it and see. You'd have to abandon the first one (your interpretation) and take back the missing context of the second one (a "hanging" quote) to find out exactly what "our criteria" might mean, and not mean. You'd find them neither dusty nor superficial. That's if you ever got past the "Nonetheless". It was quite a nonetheless, as nonethelesses go - I'd said your idea would close off more possibilities than it would open up, among other things. No way does it boil down to "Keith agreed". Same with the rest. It all seems to pick its way carefully past the context, leaves you trying to read between the lines for all the glaringly missing bits. There were serious issues here, even if you missed them or regard them as insignificant. Work such as this would definitely get a student reporter's ear blistered. Well, never mind, at least the archives is less picky. Keith >Nathan, > >I never thought I'd take the time to do such a thing, but before I go >outside to cut down the rosebushes I've assembled (below) some of the >key points made on this thread between Quinn, Keith, Todd, and me. >Now that the dust is settling, this is what was significant to me in >the exchange: > >In an effort to make the point that comprehensive processor plans >would provide an alternative to customized packaged solutions, I made >the point that push-button convenience is what it would take to >attract many people in my country (the United States) to making their >own biodiesel. Although Quinn agreed with my point, she never >expressed a desire to have an automated or ready-made solution for >herself (and neither did I.) In fact, Quinn and I both expressed an >interest in a set of comprehensive processor plans. I offered to help >develop the plans and work up the instructions for them. Todd sort of >offered to work them up (OK, maybe not really, but I can dream, can't >I?), and Keith agreed to post them on JtoF. > >All that other stuff? Dust... > >Maud >St. Louis, Missouri > >************** > >Selected Quotations > >************** > >Keith said: >...there's a whole world between the two extremes of having to be a >rocket scientist and just flipping a switch, "simple and mindless"... > >Maud said: >...I really, really do want the design and specifications for a >complete solution that includes an appropriate washing tank...and >also a condenser. > and >- Standard D-I-Y designs for a complete solution > - Select the appropriate set of plans > - Acquire the parts (scavenge some or purchase most at a >variety of sources) > - Assemble the processor > and >...a choice of D-I-Y solutions sized by output capacity is ideal. And >it would help to prevent people from making the mistake of purchasing >a packaged solution that produces poor results. > and >I am seriously offering my services to help develop the documentation >to support the Middle Way solutions. > >Quinn said: >...there would be more of us shade-tree fuel makers if there were a >set of plans, yes, down to the nuts & bolts. And I see that, in >fact, that is happening on the list. And that is good. > >Todd said: >Frankly, I would rather take the time and effort to blueprint and >cost out a micro-system down to the very last washer and grommet, >then put it on the net for free, letting anyone with a high enough IQ >acquire the parts and assemble them on their own... > >Keith said: >JtF is quite clear about being much more interested in the >Philippines than in the US or any of the OECD countries, that's our >focus, 3rd World countries. > and >Nonetheless, if you come up with Middle Way solutions that fit our >criteria I'd be more than happy to give them space at JtF's processor >section. >-- >Maud Essen >Essential Services >4163 W. Pine Blvd. >St. Louis, MO 63108-2801 > >314-531-8098 (voice) >775-593-6428 (fax) > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
