--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Incorrect, I reported, what was mentioned at the time of the crash. I never heard what the final report was, and that was probably because I was out of the area at the time it finally came out and I don't think that it would have made the news were I was, since it was a " local " Colorado Springs event. Funny how it took 10 years for the final report to come out. If you read the report in it's entirety, then you would know they were having big problems when they first started tiring to figuring out what caused the crash because their was so little left of the plane let alone any bodies of the passengers and crew to autopsy, it was reported on the late news that there was not much in the way of body bags, being used, and the local coroner was using Ziploc bags for the parts that could be found, until the body parts could be separated and identified to a specific person, not much to autopsy in that case, but, I know of a case where it was enough to determine that Carbon Monoxide poisoning was the cause of a different crash.
I reported everything that I was aware of in my initial report form the initial reports, including the possibility of it being a rotor, which the NTSB did not rule out the possibility of: " The most likely atmospheric disturbance to produce an uncontrollable rolling moment was a rotor (a horizontal axis vortex) produced by a combination of high winds aloft and the mountainous terrain. Conditions were conducive to the formation of a rotor, and some witness observations support the existence of a rotor at or near the time and place of the accident. However, too little is known about the characteristics of such rotors to conclude decisively whether they were a factor in this accident. " As for hearsay, rumor and innuendo, perhaps a little, but, this entire thread has been filled with it, not just from me. I have reported facts where I have them, and personal opinion about things I have seen. I am also known to change my personal opinions ( and admit to it ), when I have what I consider real facts, not just other persons opinions. As to wanting to know more the accident that killed my friend at the Air Force Academy, I'm working on that, but, it's the holidays, and the only person I was able to get a hold of at the Academy, Saturday, told me that he did not expect anyone that could help me to be in until Tuesday or Wednesday, but he did say that crashes at the Air Force Academy, are normally investigated by the military, regardless of the aircraft, if it was piloted by a military crew especially if the aircraft was leased not chartered. And generally the military prefers to buy, then lease, and lastly charter if it has no other options, again this is what I was told Sat. Greg H. ----- Original Message ----- From: canros_uk To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 01:45 Subject: [biofuel] Re: THE HOT MOVIE Hello Greg Well, at least you have now read one report of the accident and that report makes no mention of heart attack. I can assure you that the NTSB report also makes no mention of a heart attack. The most important thing from my perspective is that you, when posting, give an impression of knowledge in this area and post with apparent authority. You should know therefore that if there is the slightest suspicion of medical problems relating to an aircraft accident there is an autopsy performed on the crew. There was no report of medical evidence of any type in the official report. The implications of this are considerable - effectively it means that you are prepared to rely on hearsay, rumour and inneundo rather than 'expert' official reports to validate your arguements. People who read your posts should be aware of this. Stuart -- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, "Greg Harbican" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You might be right in part: > > United Airlines flight 585 > > All it took was a Google search using Colorado Springs, airliner, and crash as the key words. > > > > NTSB finally ruled it was a rudder problem, but, heart attack and rotor were other possibilities mentioned at the time, and they still come up from time to time. > > Greg H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: canros_uk > To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 04:10 > Subject: [biofuel] Re: THE HOT MOVIE > > > Greg > > Similarly, I have searched the NTSB database without finding the > Colorado Springs accident in the 90's. Now, I'm sure this is > probably down to my incompetence. However, if you could perhaps give > a little more detail we will be able to find the official view of the > accident which I am sure will give a little more detail than you have > managed so far. > > This will be a very good way to show those who question you that you > are correct in these aspects as well as the other statements you made > about the US President. > > Stuart > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] --- End forwarded message ---
