With respect to the US contribution to the European theater consider
that at Stalingrad the German losses were 300,000 and the Russian
400,000 and Stalingrad was a battle that the Russians won! At Kursk the
Germans lost 100,000 killed and wounded and the Russians 250,000 killed
and 600,000 wounded. It was the largest armored battle prior to the
1967 Arab - Israeli war. The US involvement in the fighting in Europe
was not pivotal to the outcome.
Rick
bmolloy wrote:
Hello Hakan,
Again with respect, it is not "well known" that the
Pacific losses in WW2 were greater than in Europe. If that is the case I'd
like to see your source for the statement. MacArthur was supreme commander
in the Pacfic. I have given you his total losses throughout his campaign
which ranged all the way from his starting point in Australia to the moment
he accepted the Japanese surrender in Tokyo Bay. I based these on figures
given my William Manchester, one of the most respected American biographers
of the postwar period. The precise wording of his footnote, on page 639 of
the 1979 Hutchinson paperback edition "American Caesar - Douglas MacArthur,
reads "American casualties in the Bulge were 106,502. MacArthur's 90,437".
The item to which this footnote refers reads: "The Battle of the Bulge (a
four week break-out by German armoured columns under General Von Rundsted in
the Ardennes beginning December 16, 1944, and ending January 16, 1945)
...resulted in as many American casualties as were sustained in th entire
Southwest Pacfic area campaign from Australia to Tokyo."
To look at a couple of single battles in Europe. At the battle of Anzio in
Italy, where the Allies fought for nearly four months (January 22 to May 25,
1943) to secure a beachhead that placed them only 37 miles from Rome, the
total American, i.e. not Allied, casualties were 72,306 GIs. In the battle
of Normandy - June 6 to July 31, 1944 - Eisenhower lost 28,366 GIs.
The bottom line is that American losses in Europe were many, many times
those in the Pacific.
Please don't tell me that these figures are no indication. They are exact
battlefield totals. I have given your chapter and verse for my sources. If
you have figures to the contrary I would be very pleased to hear them, and
of course the source.
Regards,
Bob.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hakan Falk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Bob,
Even those numbers are sub number and does not say anything. It is
possible that my source was wrong, but do not give me number who
says nothing to that effect. If my source is right and US losses were
10% of allies total, around 10,000 US soldiers died in the Battle of
Bulge. It is also something wrong with that US should have lost
around 100,000 in Pacific and around 300,000 in Europe. When it is
well known fact that the Pacific losses were higher than the European.
Please try again and maybe you will find something more realistic.
Hakan
At 01:55 AM 4/4/2005, you wrote:
Hello Hakan,
(snip)
The number you give is WWII losses, I was talking about the
European part of WWII. This because we talked about taking
out Hitler. US lost several times more in the Pacific, than they
did in Europe.
With respect, the total allied losses under General
MacArthur - Supreme Commander of the Pacific theatre of operation - in
the
entire campaign fought from Australia to his arrival in Tokyo were
90,437.
In the Battle of the Bulge in France in 1944 - which was just a single
battle fought over a few weeks during the Second Front campaign - a total
of
106,502 allied soldiers died. (See: American Caesar: Douglas MacArthur,
by
William Manchester. Hutchinson 1979, page 639).
Regards,
Bob.
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