Hi Keith, et alii. On Aug 30, 2005, at 3:35 AM, Keith Addison wrote:
> Hello Taryn, Pannirselvam > > Did you read this? > > http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 > 5-August/003230.html > Or: > http://snipurl.com/hb3u > [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers > "Who Would Jesus Assassinate? Hugo Chavez and the Men Who Claim to > Speak for Jesus" > Yes, I did read them. Following them, or a similar thread, (now misplaced) led me to some striking information regarding the US's post-war anti-communist efforts in Italy, and later in Latin America. Following that taught me more about the role of the jesuits, and liberation theology, in Latin American politics. Trying to recover that misplaced thread last night led to many sites accusing liberation theologists of being pawns of the communists. Then to some ugly accusations regarding the role of the jesuits in bringing together the Vatican and the National Socialists (Nazis) in pre-war Germany. Of course, the German National Socialist Party was socialist in name only by the 1940s. So, I too, learn more of the twisted history that led to our bizarre predicaments of today, reading the Biofuel list. It is truly a great resource, let me add my thanks to that expressed by Doug and Pannirselvam. (and many others) In one more strange twist of fate, the venues that bring us all together; ethernet, bsd servers, and the internet, were developed with much funding from ARPA, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Defense_Advanced_Research_Projects_Agency> which was created to respond to "The Communist Threat". Now of course the internet is one of our best tools for responding to the "Capitalist Threat". Regarding the "Clash of Civilisations", it's astonishing that Christians, Jews, and Muslims, all worshipping the same God of Israel, have been at each others throats, squabbling over the parched scraps of a long gone society, for more than a thousand years. For anyone perplexed over this conflict, I highly recommend Tom Robbins' "Skinny Legs and All". <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0553377884> I've re-read this a few times in my struggles to understand the middle east. It is illuminating, to say the least. If you've not read Robbins' stuff before, you might want start with a few of his earlier works, e.g. "Still Life with Woodpecker" or "Jitterbug Perfume", since his work is rich and complex. Again, thanks to all here who help us see past the veils, to a larger world. Taryn ornae.com > I was wanting to say something about liberation theology but I posted > that instead. > > By the way, here's Doug's post, "Religion, Politics Biofuels, and > Thanks!": > > http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 > 5-August/003279.html > Or: > http://snipurl.com/hb3w > > I don't want to interpret, but I think what Doug's talking about is > mainly how religion-of-a-sort is driving politics and the other > issues in the US and in US foreign policy, along with the nonsense > about the US and Islam, the odious "Clash of Civilisations" type of > thinking and so on, and maybe the strange marriage of "Christian > Zionists" in the US and colonial Zionism in Israel and its effects on > politics, foreign policy, Middle East oil and all the fish. > > On the other hand, there's India and Pakistan, who should surely be > brothers rather than nuclear enemies... They don't seem to refer to > each other as Indians and Pakistanis as often as Hindus and Muslims. > Isn't it time to seek to bury the hatchet somewhere else than in each > other's heads? > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > >> Hello Pannirselvam, >> >> Forgive me for taking exception to some things you said to Doug. I've >> ... >> American Evangelical Fundamentalist sects are also gaining power in >> Latin America, and they too are a constant source of AIDS >> misinformation. As they have no history of liberation theology, we can >> be sure that their missions will be bound to NeoCon goals. >> >> I certainly agree with your suspicions about corporate and media power >> being used to suppress democratic processes all over the world, but I >> suspect that the church often falls on the wrong side of this battle, >> they have usually supported the economic elite in class struggles, >> even >> as their missionaries were striving to help the poor and dispossessed. >> >> I know you're 'on the ground' in Brazil, and you're seeing many >> courageous, dedicated christians doing good works, against great odds. >> I guess I'm trying to say that you're seeing those with 'true religion >> with ethics and also true democratic politics' actually doing what >> needs doing. Those who send them often have other goals. >> >> Taryn >> ornae.com >> >> >> On Aug 29, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Pannirselvam P.V wrote: >> >>> Dear Doug Swanson >>> >>> I appreciate your well thoughtful letter regarding >>> our >>> list.But I am not able to fully understand yet that religion >>> develop illusion as I native of India , presently in Brazil . >>> Here religion always do better thing , the school , the hospital , >>> the project for the poor people . I believe the illusion are made >>> by Big Blue Corporate company against true religion with ethics and >>> also true democratic politics using money power making the >>> illusions. >>> Surely all are inter related and I agree with you that Biofuel >>> bring the people together independent of politics and religions >>> showing the truth and showing the green way and great future for >>> global sustainability. >>> >>> sd >>> Pannirselvam P.V. >>> >>> On 8/27/05, des <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> politics lately; as well as the diversity in the biofuels >>>> subjects. (I > > ... _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
