You know... I hate it when I'm right. I was right about Iraq, and more and more it appears I may have been right about global warming too....
IF we have reached the tipping point where catastrophic effects from global warming are unavoidable, even if we completely stopped CO2 emissions right now, then does it become more or less urgent to cut emissions? It seems like at the tipping point, the incremental cost of emissions becomes much less and global warming actually does become something that we can't do anything about. In that case, perhaps a massive public works project to move cities, redesign our transportation system, revamp architecture, etc, becomes in order. This will require using alot of fossil fuels (because there is no other current source capable of doing this massive project), but it could be argued that, if indeed we have reached a tipping point, that preventing global warming is moot, and we should do whatever we can to deal with the effects of global warming. There are other reasons to cut fossil fuel use besides global warming (societal, global equity, peak oil, local pollution, etc), but perhaps we've already done the damage on the global warming front. Rush Limbaugh actually had a point on this -- he said that everyone in New Orleans switching to wind power or driving a prius wouldn't have helped save them once Katrina entered the gulf. Of course he then proceeded to use this as evidence that global warming was a hoax..... Of course, what I think is more likely is that society as a whole will continue to deny global warming until the very point it finally takes them out. Keep an eye on Rita. I hear the gulf still has really high surface temperatures.... On 9/18/05, Terry Dyck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >From: "Alt.EnergyNetwork" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] global warming "tipping point" > >Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 07:33:18 +0000 > > > >Hello, > >Why not discuss the story and implications right here. > >This list is full of individuals that can help make a difference. > > > I am one of those individuals that would like to make a difference. Were is > the starting gate? Lets get started. > > Terry Dyck > >Believe me the well financed global warming skeptics and traditional fossil > >fuel suppliers > >won't win in the long run if we face them head on. > >We will be confronting serious problems in the near future from our past > >energy gluttony > >and disregard for the earth's natural ecosystems. We got ourselves into > >this mess > >and we are going to have to find sustainable solutions to develop a viable > >future for the planet. > > > > > >regards > >tallex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >next_generation_grid > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid > > > > news resources forums > > > >tomorrow-energy > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy > > > > > > > >Alternative Energy Politics > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ > > > > > >Get your daily alternative energy news > > > >Alternate Energy Resource Network > > http://www.alternate-energy.net > > 1000+ news sources - resources > > updated daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > From: Kirk McLoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: [Biofuel] global warming "tipping point" > > > Sent: 17 Sep '05 19:44 > > > > > > [0]mad_goldfish writes "The UK's Independent is running a front page > > > story today on a scientific report claiming that [1]global warming is > >now > > > unstoppable, after measuring changes in the level of ice in the > >arctic." > > > From the article: "The greatest fear is that the Arctic has reached a > > > 'tipping point' beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss of > > > sea ice and with it the massive land glaciers of Greenland, which will > > > raise sea levels dramatically. Satellites monitoring the Arctic have > > > found that the extent of the sea ice this August has reached its lowest > > > monthly point on record, dipping an unprecedented 18.2 per cent below > >the > > > long-term average." Either way, [2]someone wins a bet. > > > > > > Discuss this story at: > > > http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=05/09/16/1514216 > > > > > > Links: > > > 0. mailto:craig...nicol@@@gmail...com > > > 1. > > > > >http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article312997.ece > > > 2. http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/20/1845247&tid=126 > > > > > > > > > -------------------- > > > Yahoo! for Good > > > [LINK: http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/] Click here to donate > >to > > > the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. > > > -------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Biofuel mailing list > > > [LINK: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > > [LINK: > > > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org] > > > > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > > > [LINK: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html] > > > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > > > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > > > messages): > > > [LINK: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/] > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > >Get your daily alternative energy news > > > >Alternate Energy Resource Network > > http://www.alternate-energy.net > > 1000+ news sources - resources > > updated daily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Biofuel mailing list > >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 > >messages): > >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
