Thanks for the correction, Joe. I will be more careful from now on to be sure who I am quoting. Is it OK to just say "Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:" and not mention a name when including a response? I'm glad you liked the post otherwise. I don't blame Keith for being a little testy. We all are these days with what is going on in the world. Marilyn
Note: Forwarded Email Message Below: Yeah I didn't write that Marilyn. I did respond to that post though. You must have replied to my post and snipped out my response which I have copied below after the post you erroneously attribute to me. Keith hates it when people do that. I've done it too by accident. Be careful Keith seems a little testy these days especially about the archives.... BTW great post otherwise :-) >I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with >countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows >what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, >utilities.. > >I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in. > Well what about the military action taken on the Faluja General Hospital? That was an undisputable violation of the Geneva convention. The US government is clearly guilty of international war crimes. I don't understand why the people of that country are not doing anything about this. There are plenty of grounds for impeachment without anyone getting thier lips dirty! Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Joe Street wrote: > > >>I'm no expert, but it seems to me that there are agreements with >>countries around the world, like the Geneva convention, and who knows >>what else, that prohibit attacking citizens, public infrastructure, >>utilities.. >> >>I'm sure that someone more knowledgeable will chime in. >> >> > > >Agreeing to be part of the UN is supposed to mean agreeing not to wage >preemptive war. The British are having arguments at high levels in >government about the illegality of the Iraq invasion. The article below by an >American law professor also talks about treaties, agreements and >international law being ignored: > >Reaping the Whirlwind: Departures from International Law Helped Create >Climate for Iraq Prison Abuses > >JURIST Guest Columnist Michael Kelly of Creighton University School of Law >says the Bush Administration's general disregard for international treaties and >standards facilitated an atmosphere in which US personnel could flout the >Geneva Conventions and abuse Iraqi prisoners... >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >"The Bush Administration has consistently signaled for three and a half years >that international law does not matter. The American military and civilian >personnel at Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad apparently received that signal >loud and clear. Not only did they fail to follow the requirements of the Geneva >Convention on Treatment of POW's, according to the Red Cross, no copies of >the treaty were to be found on-site. > >The list of high-profile treaties broken or withdrawn by this government is a >long one that includes denunciation of the Rome Statute creating the >International Criminal Court, pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol to diminish >ozone-depleting gases, and unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic >Missile Treaty over initial Russian objections. An overwhelming majority of >nations condemned each of these moves as irresponsible and self-serving, >but Washington paid little heed - steadfastly pursuing short-term political >gains instead of America's long-term global interests. International law was >undermined and flouted. > >When the invasion of Iraq became a front-burner issue, the world implored the >Bush Administration not to do it, threatening everything from vetoes in the UN >to political recrimination. America again disregarded the objections and went >forward. The Security Council was subverted in the process and a creaky pre- >World War II theory of justified pre-emptive strikes was resurrected. Again >international law was cast aside. > >When questions arose as to whether Geneva Convention protections would >be extended to those captured in Afghanistan, President Bush dismissed the >landmark 55-year-old treaty regime as a series of "legalisms" he would >consider in making his decision. > >This unapologetic pattern of discounting the importance of international law >helped create an environment where it could easily by disregarded by those >who were supposed to follow it. That subtle message was especially potent >when coupled with the specific message to extract all information possible out >of detainees to help further the war on terrorism. > >How can the privates and sergeants on the ground at Abu Ghraib be faulted >for following the lead of their commander-in-chief? They can be faulted >because they should be regarded as rational, thinking human beings - the >same as those they tortured. The fact that international law was simply >disregarded made the process easier, but no more excusable. > >America has begun to reap the whirlwind of its policy-line ignoring >international law. It is held in the lowest regard foreign nations have had >for it >in decades, and it suffers from diminished standing worldwide. The abuses at >Abu Ghraib are a particularly ugly gust of that whirlwind that has blown back >in Washington's face. Re-embracing international law and the United Nations >(and the unique legitimacy each can bestow) could help us weather and >avoid the fury of such storms." > >Michael Kelly is Associate Professor of Law of International Law at Creighton >University School of Law in Omaha, Nebraska, and the co-author of Equal >Justice in the Balance, Assessing America's Legal Responses to the >Emerging Terrorist Threat (University of Michigan Press 2004). > >May 19, 2004 > >http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2004/05/reaping-whirlwind-departures- >from_19.php > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Biofuel mailing list >Biofuel@sustainablelists.org >http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): >http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
