Just to add, I wouldn't want anybody to generate any pdf files from the material at JtF, whether for sale or for non-sale or for anything.
JtF is not public property, and there's not much about it that's haphazard and unplanned. It's not Biofuel list property either. It's not because we haven't considered it that pdf's and print versions are not for sale and not available. Different media of delivery have different effects, and the differences are important even if not very many people notice it. You use the right ones for the job. We'd perhaps use pdf's for a different job, but then it wouldn't just be website material dumped into Acrobat as-is, it would mean a complete makeover, of a large amount of material. Then again, obviously we'd make them available for download at the JtF website, that's where people who want the information go anyway. I wouldn't consider changing our strategy on this (nor anything) for the sake of a few mosquitoes biting people at ebay, not even if they were biting us too (but they're not biting us). JtF isn't broken, please don't fix it. Thanks again for all the suggestions. Best Keith >Hi Chris, and all who replied, thankyou... > > >Keith Addison wrote: > >>I keep getting complaints about this guy who sells bits of the JtF > >>website on eBay. He's not the only one. > >> > >>Quite a few people have reported him and complained about him, but > >>it doesn't work, eBay won't cooperate, they're pretty much > >>complicit. Maybe he could be put out of action but it would be a > >>lot of work, and someone else would replace him soon enough. He > >>doesn't actually do us any direct injury and we're too busy to > >>chase him, so we grin and bear it. There's one born every minute, > >>especially on eBay, and probably one yllar17 born every minute too, > >>but we're more interested in the other 259 people born every minute. > >> > >> > >Have you considered a very easy way of stopping this? > >Just compile a pdf of all the information and put it up on ebay as a > >buy it now for something like $0.01. Offer it via email and donate > >the proceeds to a charity! This would stop people profiting off of > >other peoples concerns for the environment. Only problem is who > >would distribute it! Maybe you could put on your paypal preferences > >a link to where it can be downloaded? when someone buys it they will > >recieve the invoive and have the link there. Or why not place a > >number of ads on ebay quoting the site where it can be downloaded > >free? Noone needs to buy the item because the info is given away > >freely. I would happily list the item is someone wants to generate a > >pdf file. > > > >Chris.. > >... but I don't really want to stop it. It's not bothering us. The >main reason I posted it is in case any other list members have >resources that the guy's selling. It happens all the time, I just got >another complaint about someone called "velvet_fist" doing the same >thing with JtF stuff at eBay. I think it's a general Internet >phenomenon, it won't go away even if the individuals responsible are >stopped. Like crime. It's not the only phenomenon at work though, >what's the overall effect? > >Maybe I just have a slightly different attitude to pests. >Everything's organically grown round here, even websites and mailing >lists, and fighting pests isn't the best way to do it. They're not >pests unless they do you damage. If they are doing you damage it's >not an eradication problem, it's a management problem, and in effect >the pests are telling you where the problem lies. Without them you >wouldn't know it. > >Maybe that all sounds a little idealistic, but it works. Not only >that, nothing else works. > >Thanks! > >Best > >Keith _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
