Hello David >Keith, >I've recently joined this list
Welcome. >and I will peruse the archives. A lot of people spend a lot of time there. On this subject, you might start with these: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg00166.html [biofuel] Re: oil reserves 9 Apr 2000 http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg00599.html [biofuel] oil prices 29 Sep 2000 Try a search for Matt Simmons: http://snipurl.com/jgi7 Search results for 'Simmons' Or for Michael T Klare: http://snipurl.com/hkon Search results for 'Klare' Or whatever grabs you, it's easy to pick up the threads (the whole thread is linked at the end of the page). >I should have >referenced the $25 barrel at today's dollar value. At $5/Gal (present value) >we will be ripping up strip malls to plant rape seed.fields. Fair exchange I guess. Depends what kind of rapeseed fields, agribusiness monocrops? The NBB wouldn't like that though, but Big Oil probably wouldn't mind much. Previous responses: > > I suspect with the projected prices and profits that they will >not need new refineries. When fuel hits $5 as I suspect it will most >of us wont take motor vacations etc. Carpooling will be back in >vogue and SUVs will be hybrids. < > >I'm already paying nearlly 8 dollars a UK gallon for diesel, people >are addicted to their cars. Car use still increases here in the UK >even as the price of fuel keeps going up. Chris. It's $5 a gallon in Japan now, but it's three years since I paid for fuel. We only use a couple of hundred gallons a year anyway. Have you read this? "How much fuel can we grow? How much land will it take?" http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html#howmuch >Looking forward to talking to you again. Same. Best Keith >David Sikes >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 5:14 AM >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] No New Refineries > > > > Hello David > > > > >Building new refiniries will not reduce the price of crude. It is based >on > > >global demand. The Chinese and Indians are rapidly moving from bicycles >to > > >automobiles. This is why the price of crude is $70+ for a barrel. > > > > One reason. > > > > >And this > > >is why bio based feedstocks for fuel are going to become economically > > >viable, irrespective of environmental concerns/benefits. > > > > One reason, again, there are others. > > > > >If crude were at $25/barrel we would not be having this conversation. > > > > We were having this conversation when oil was $25 a barrel, and less, > > and saying, along with the OECD, and many American list members, that > > US fuel prices were way too cheap and the sooner it hit $5 a gallon > > the better. > > > > You should spend some time browsing the list archives. > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > >David > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Doug Younker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: <biofuel@sustainablelists.org> > > >Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2006 5:33 PM > > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] No New Refineries > > > > > > > > > > This is one of those times I smell a rat, but can't find/prove it. In > > > > regards to environmental requirements, in the industry previously > > > > claimed the costs where too high and the consumer wouldn't pay the > > > > price. Here we are now: No refineries where not built and the >consumer > > > > is paying unprecedented prices that result in higher profits for the > > > > industry. Chances are the industry will be allowed to build new > > > > refineries that don't meet the stricter environmental require, >pocketing > > > > the savings. The cynic in me has to feel that in no way, even with > > > > relaxed environmental regulations, will the industry build capacity to > > > > significantly increase supply. Oh well... > > > > Doug, N0LKK > > > > Kansas USA > > > > > > > > Keith Addison wrote: > > > > > http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/06/06/no_new_refineries.php > > > > > > > > > > No New Refineries > > > > > > > > > > Frank O'Donnell _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
