Debug is essential for programmers, only. Not all DOS users are
programmers. Actually most of DOS users are hackers, but what? If such
user cannot access the network (so there is no e-mail), will he/she type
an *assembler* debug script... by hand? support case... to DOS? how many
users does uses DOS today, if not to recover vintage computers? it is
almost an hobby at all. Franky, I doubt there are more DOS users than
BSD users nowadays. I know there is a bit of embedded and industrial
systems running DOS, but they are really few. And what about DOS being
the ONLY/MAIN OS? It is really rare, even on 3rd world countries.
Yes, I want to have debug tool handy, but I install it as a package,
just before the emergency happens. I do not see the need to have it on
the install floppies if space constraints are an issue.
And yes again, I am another one that like to have debug tool ready, but
we are on 21st century. Even the old computers will face another
reality, so they are not alone anymore as on the previous century. If
SvarDOS will be a candidate to post-apocalyptic OS, then yes, I urge to
include all the tools on floppies... ;-)
I agree that DEBUG is a very flexible tool, but we need to establish a
mark here. Do we are making a new DOS, which space constrains are the
main objective?, or we are doing another FreeDOS/MS-DOS clone? I
understand that SvarDOS *is not* MS-DOS, DR-DOS, or any other type of
DOS clone. It have its own personality.
Sorry if my words sounds hard, english is not my native tongue. But it
is my IMHO.
For me there is no difference if SvarDOS become an elephant or an ant,
because my lowest-resources machine is an eBox-2300SX, a 486 with 128MB
of RAM... :-D
Luzemário
Em 17/02/2022 08:57, Robert Riebisch via Svardos-users escreveu:
Hi Luzemario,
This is a subjective subject (oh, man...)
Yes, indeed.
For me, debug is essential for programming. But I don't think it will be
of much usage to have it included by default. To "boot" the system and
establish networking, it is not needed. So it can be downloaded later,
if necessary.
I disagree, obviously, because I was the one, who requested to include
it as core package.
DEBUG is a very flexible tool. It can read/write the MBR or binary
files. And it is scriptable. So, one can share a small script by mail to
another user, he can type it in and have a new .COM or .SYS file.
If the user has no access to the network and FDD is not working, but he
managed to install SvarDOS from the ISO, how shall he put DEBUG to his
computer?
So, DEBUG is very helpful in a support case!
Cheers,
Robert
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