Dominico, Can we vote you as the poet laureate of SVG? I love your stuff. Francis
--- In [email protected], "domenico_strazzullo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > John, > > By replying to a legitimate question chosen randomly among a set of > strong arguments, expressed with determination and courage of > opinions, you cannot hope to dismiss all the other valid (sure, not > 100%) arguments as a block. I'm sure you are aware of this > elementary rule, but I'm afraid that your move is not innocent, once > again. You should have understood by now that the several watchdogs > here won't let you get away with anything. I'm also very suspicious > of the tone in the rest of your post. The casual announcing tone > betrays an undermining intent to my eyes. I don't believe you're > candid (sorry not to be with you on this one, Doug). > > Anyway, although you systematically and insidiously try to choke any > uncomfortable venture against flash, this time it won't work either; > to relaunch Richard's remarks I'll just say this: you can have any > ActionScript.xxx, but then you need to find brain, creativity, > intelligence, but that is going to be a little harder to find in the > flash environment, like it has always been. > > Just one more remark. Knowing that: > > a) Designers looking for the Holy Grail and switching to SVG often > expressed their frustration in respect of the programming effort > that they weren't able to produce. > > b) To palliate for the restrictions imposed by the very concept of > Flash, Adobe integrate a fully ecma-compliant ActionScript with the > clear intent and hope to draw programming talent. > > Would anyone be foolish enough to hope designers would be willing to > trade their newly acquired semi-freedom for their old mind prison, > where they would come across the very same obstacle that makes their > SVG freedom incomplete? > > And would anyone be foolish enough to hope programmers would trade > their compositional art for an incomplete and childish subset of > preset timbres? > > Designers and programmers are now full fledged artists, either > confirmed or in the making, and like any of their predecessor peers > they deal, at some point or another, with existential > considerations. They constitute a movement. There has never been any > political or economical consideration or behavioral procedure that > were able to stop philosophical and artistic movements and schools. > In the long run this is what rules, not commercial considerations. > Those behavioral procedures in fact have always represented a brake > for progress; they have always led periodically to social > impoverishment, impoverishment of the spirit, class separation, > obscurantism. > > One who thinks he can dissociate business and economical realities > from social and cultural realities on the long run is a fool. Or an > idiot. > > This list is made of programmers, designers and developers. Artists. > Even business oriented developers and companies are contributing to > the artistic development by hiring more and more these artists > because they get excited with this bold display of gift, > inventiveness, intelligence, daring ideas and passion. These > business oriented developers and companies are the cool guys, they > are people who know how to listen to the wind, they are people who > know the best investment is to capitalize on creativity, that which > springs off the brilliant oranges. > > It has been said, a few days ago, that this is one of the best > lists. No wonder, this list gathers a good share of creators. This > list nurtures a passion flame, the kind of flame one cannot > extinguish. Powerful companies are desperately trying to blow. > They're missing the whole point. They're so pathetic. Trying to > adapt corny products to a market that they don't really understand, > with the sole objective to make more of those dollars that they > already have so many of and still don't know what to do with. > Desperately trying to copy the brilliant oranges from behind the > curtain, while at the same time arrogantly looking upon them. > Selling bugs and deficient applications. > > SVG is here and the list is here and nobody is anywhere near to > disband them. > > Domenico > > > > --- In [email protected], John Dowdell <jdowdell@> > wrote: > > > > Francis Hemsher wrote: > > > IE7 Beta 2 Preview(3/20/2006) does not initially focus on the > events > > > contained within an SVG document included in an embed. > > > It provides its own statement, via an onMouseOver popup > display: "click > > > to activate and use this control". > > > > That is true. It is not just SVG, but any browser extension which > has > > its OBJECT, EMBED, or APPLET tags contained within the hosting > HTML > > page. Much more info on user experience and development strategies > here: > > http://www.macromedia.com/devnet/activecontent > > > > > > > I've made MS aware of the above. If anyone else is looking at > > > IE7, the EMBED and SVG, you should run it and let them know > > > of your needs. > > > > They already know, believe me, they already know.... ;-) > > > > The new behavior also occurs in users of the regular IE6 who have > found > > the list of download options in Windows Update and chosen to > install the > > similar change for IE6. I expect that, in absence of further legal > news, > > that this browser change will be mainlined into a future IE6 > update. > > Other browsers are also vulnerable to the same legal concerns, > although > > I have not heard of any patent news against other browsermakers... > > Microsoft has the biggest pockets, and was first to be approached. > > > > What to do? The easiest seems to be to use an external .JS file to > > dynamically write your OBJECT, EMBED or APPLET tags into the page. > > Examples are at the above Macromedia Active Content Center. > > > > jd ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
