Hi list, I thought WPF/E was just a grab at December Advertisement networks of computer users with an announcement of 'open' SDK of 5.1MB for XP2 or Vista http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=2b01ec7e-c3b8-47cc- b12a-67c30191c3aa&DisplayLang=en that is downloaded from a DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN" page with the 'wonderful' mine-type of MSI format. At the same time I can find a add to upgrade my os, and perhaps later new computer to run my upgraded vista? (I am sure m$ hide that from advertisers and would never boast how many users they target with online and offline advertisements like AOL CD mailouts while getting my government and others to create laws preventing Spam)
I can only think that "within a year" simply is evidence of 'the current m$ grab' at bogging down open standards in billions of line of code while Preventing the porting for a year to target sales on Server environments first, users are second with a line of offline tools. I think the below is somewhat incorrect in that a Server is required for most XAML returns of data unless you can hand code it. In WPF/E step 2 the function is broken because m$ "recommends" that you use "the related m$ server product" to return XAML. As such its just a 'marketing term' for the current m$ grab at cgi ssi. While I am dumb simple user, I am not that dumb - The only thing invented here is greed, simple, pure, ... :-) Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Morton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download > Why would I want to ask my Firefox and Opera-using clients to > download a plug-in to do something those browsers can already do > natively? > > Maybe if all you really care about is Windows, then yeah, knock > yourself out. > > A vote for proprietary technology in this case is a vote for more > corporate power. Yeah, I think M$ needs some more of that. I'm sure > they'll never abuse it. Let's all help M$ by adopting WPF/E over > equivalent open standard and open source alternatives! > > Guy > > > > > On 05/12/2006, at 4:47 PM, kggsystem wrote: > > > Well, too bad you won't give it a spin. > > > > I forgot to mention that the WPF/E Beta has runtimes for Internet > > Explorer and Firefox on the PC, and for the MAC. Linux runtimes will > > follow within a year. Makes me wonder how much more effort the FF > > people will want to put into SVG now that they have this WPF/E stuff. > > > > I have been a SVG fan for a long time, but not because it was an Open > > Standard spec'd by comittee. I am a fan of SVG because of what it can > > do for me and my customers. I am a fan because of it's declarative > > nature, elegant schema, rich feature set, and scriptable DOM. So by > > extension I am a fan of this WPF/E stuff too. Same model. It has > > nothing to do with blinders or gullibility or that Bill Gates > > invented the Web, Cellular Telephone, and Transistor or whatever else > > he invented. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Guy Morton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Nup, I'm not the least bit interested in that. Another proprietary > >> model for delivering "rich web apps"? no thanks. > >> > >> I can't believe *anyone*, except die-hard and blinkered M$ fans, > > can want this. > >> > >> Sounds like they ought to be able to support SVG using this stuff > >> though, and pretty easily I'd have thought. Clearly they understand > >> the problem space well enough. What's lacking, as always with M$, > >> is the will to give support to a technology they can't own. > >> It's my fervent hope that sooner or later this will bring about > >> their demise, however, breathless announcements about how "cool" > >> stuff like this is indicates to me that M$ are as good as ever at > >> spinning a line for the gullible. They'll have everyone believing > >> they invented the web all over again. > >> > >> Let's hope this goes the way of "Microsoft Network", and they are > >> eventually forced to throw their lot in with the rest of humanity, > >> instead of reinventing everything as their own. > >> > >> Guy > >> > >> On 05/12/2006, at 6:56 AM, kggsystem wrote: > >> > >>> WPF/E is much more closer to SVG than the full fledged WPF, in > > that it > >>> runs "loose markup" with a scripting model, in a browser. The Full > >>> Fledged WPF really requires a compilation step before it is very > >>> useful. > >>> > >>> SVG Model > >>> > >>> 1) User in Browser points to an URL that might be HTML and/or SVG. > >>> 2) Files (HTML, SVG, JS, CSS) are returned, rendered, and the > > scripts > >>> are activated. Javascript can manipulate the SVG DOM to do stuff > >>> 3) User is in Business > >>> > >>> WPF/E Model > >>> > >>> 1) User in Browser points to an URL that might be HTML and/or > > XAML. > >>> 2) Files (HTML, XAML, JS) are returned, rendered, and the scripts > > are > >>> activated. Javascript can manipulate the WPF/E DOM to do stuff > >>> 3) User is in Business > >>> > >>> Check it out, you might find it interesting > >>> > >>> Kevin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- > >>> To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> -or- > >>> visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and > > click "edit > >>> my membership" > >>> ---- > >>> Yahoo! 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