--- In [email protected], "tony_ser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, you just show me examples to highlight the xbrowser SVG 
> incompatibility.
> 
> http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/ does not work on Opera 9.8031
> http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/ take forever to load (Sean 
> also mention that)

These two links run perfectly in Opera 9.10 Révision 8649 !
And with same rapidity as with IE7 + Adobe plugin ... 

Michel

PS IE6 + Adobe plugin remain best for rapidity ...


> 2 out of 3 don't work xbrowser. And the 3rd is a widgetlibrary not 
a 
> real application.
> 
> The browsers are still rendering them differently or have problem 
> with it. Both the SVG content and browsers will get better but the 
> applications that you point out are not usable in firefor or Opera 
at 
> this moment. That is my point.
> 
> 
> >why is Adobe so important to SVG? IE is the only browser with no
> >native SVG support.
> I think you answered your question. Adobe is important because IE 
is 
> the browser with no native SVG support. I am not cheering for IE on 
> lack of SVG support but the reality is IE still used by the 
majority 
> and if we need to develop an applcation right now, we need a 
capable 
> plugin.
> 
> >They have to support it soon if they don't want
> >to loose more market share. Native SVG support in browsers is much
> >better than a plugin anyway. With a plugin you are in this box and
> >the Eolas case showed us what can happen to plugins ... lots of
> >annoying stuff ...
> I am not arguing that plugin is better. I am just stating the fact 
> that we don't have it in IE at this point. Again, I am not cheering 
> for it.
> 
> Doc wrote:
> "I think your just sitting too close to the screen, and need to 
pull 
> back some to see the larger picture of why Adobe having acquired 
the 
> Flash player would want to shift the SVG effort into that product 
and 
> discontinue the ASV"
> 
> I can see this being your wish (and our wishes as well), but please 
> don't treat it like a fact. It may still happen but there is no 
sign 
> of it happening. You may want to sit a bit closer to reality.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "Andreas Neumann" 
> <neumann@> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, I already create SVG applications, and while
> > > the various implementations are still short of being fully
> > > compliant with the w3.org standards, the overlap of what is 
> already
> > > implemented has me already making money developing
> > > xbrowser SVG.
> > 
> > I can say the same about my applications. Most of it runs fine 
> > accross Opera 9, Firefox >1.5 and ASV, with Safari/Webkit soon to 
> > join the club.
> > 
> > Here are some more complex examples that work across browsers:
> > 
> > http://www.geofoto.ch/geophotomap/
> > http://www.carto.net/williams/yosemite/
> > all of http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/gui/
> > 
> > Yes, there are some open issues, but none of them are too serious 
> and 
> > not resolvable. If you take the time and report bugs or complain 
> > about missing features, I am sure that Opera and Firefox will 
react 
> > in a timely manner.
> > 
> > Andreas
> >
>




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