Hi, Z T-

Z T Minhas wrote:
 > This is a group dedicate to helping technical issues related
 > to SVG. Moderator please kick these agent provocateurs off
 > the group. I want information about SVG and how i can
 > incorporate such in my applications. I don't want 3rd party
 > fake viral marketers sponsored by some Micro$oft partner
 > telling me about gray-darkness. That is not the point of
 > this group. If you want to do that, get off this group,
 > and make your own yahoo group where you can market all you like.

I appreciate your dedication to SVG, and if I did think that this were a 
case of viral marketers, I would moderate their comments (that is, set 
their posting status to require a review before going to this list) 
until they proved that they were sincere; I don't like the idea of 
kicking anyone off the list.

But I don't think that's what's going on.  I think these are people who 
have a genuine interest and excitement about a different technology, and 
I feel my request for them to self-moderate and stay on-topic is the 
best course.  We're all adults here.

I, for one, don't feel that their assessments of SVG and the market are 
correct.  Silverlight is definitely a danger to the openness of the Web, 
but I don't think it will sound the death knell of SVG.  But listening 
to perspectives on why Silverlight is compelling to them informs us what 
improvements need to be made to SVG.

Ultimately, I think that Silverlight may even be good for SVG.  A rising 
tide raises all ships, and with more than Flash in the Web 
vector-graphics space, I think this entire approach will start to gain 
more currency with serious developers and corporations.  There will be 
those who recognize that it is in their best interest to promote an open 
standard rather than succumb to vendor lock-in.  These large 
organizations will have felt the sting of lock-in before.

When Flash/Apollo and Silverlight clash, it is SVG which wins the long 
game.  Both of those technologies exist only to make a profit for their 
controllers; SVG exists to provide a cross-vendor solution to the same 
problem.  If either one of the commercial vendors feels like their 
technology isn't profitable enough, they will drop it like a hot brick. 
  Smart companies know this.  Meanwhile, SVG will be the open standards 
tortoise to the commercial hares (though we *are* trying to urge the 
tortoise on a little... we're well aware of market pressures :) ).  I 
suspect SVG will always be more pervasive outside the general browser 
than either of the competing technologies, and that is one of its hidden 
strengths.  Inside the browser, SVG is also the only one which is 
natively implemented in any browser, and I think it has staying power.

Regards-
-Doug


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