So why are you still here? On 26/05/2007, at 5:41 PM, Geoffrey Swenson wrote:
> SVG is probably a dead duck. I have not wanted to invest any more > work in it > for more than a year. This is not to say that I dislike SVG much at > all, but > the Adobe plugin has a lot of problems, and SVG is nowhere near as > universally available as Silverlight already is. I gave up when the > new > Mozilla stuff was barely functional, and Opera was even worse. > Since IE no > longer handles SVG, you can continue banging your head on the wall, > or just > make the pragmatic decision and go with Silverlight. > > > > Silverlight has hit the ground running hard. It isn't going to do the > members of this group any good to put their heads in the ground and > hope > that it will go away and that SVG will somehow rise from its longtime > sickbed. > > > > There have been lots of good things to go by the wayside, such as > Ventura > Publisher (which is still the best page layout program nobody has > heard > about) but is probably very dead since there isn't any money to be > made in > developing it any further. > > > > Microsoft has spent their millions developing Silverlight, and it > shows. It > is relevant to the more honest and/or pragmatic members of this > group, who > are going to have to decide how to migrate their code to something > that is > going to be more widely available than SVG. > > > > I could hardly care less about whether it is open-sourced or not. I > just > don't see how volunteer efforts can find a revenue stream to keep > up with > proprietary code. I just want a platform for my ideas, and I will > pay for > good tools. > > > > Just the rendering speed of Silverlight is something really exciting. > Ordinary mortals can code really fast complex graphics without > having to > deal with low level graphic details. If SVG could do this (and had a > well-financed patron behind it) nobody would even care about > Silverlight. > > > > People here don't generally post about Flash, because we've been > there and > found it seriously wanting in flexibility and programming ease. > > > > I am not a lurking Microsoft person, though I have worked there as a > somewhat resentful permatemp a couple of times. I am perfectly > aware that > Microsoft doesn't always play so nice. > > > > But Silverlight really is kewl. I am honestly very excited about it > and I > will leave it at that. > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected] [mailto:svg- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Doug Schepers > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 6:15 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [svg-developers] OT (was: Have you played with Silverlight?) > > > > Hi, Kevin and Geoff, et al- > > As owner of the SVG-Developers list, and as a strong supporter for > open > standards, I'm going to ask you politely to stop evangelizing > Silverlight on SVG-Dev (as I've asked for self-moderation in the past > regarding Flash). > > I have nothing against Silverlight, and it's fine if you want to > use it, > but it's not on-topic for our list; this is a forum for technical > questions on using SVG. Silverlight has the weight and financial > backing of Microsoft behind it; Flash and Apollo both have Adobe's > backing. All these proprietary technologies have their own mailing > lists, so I don't think they need any further advertising on this > list. > > SVG is growing steadily, and it has market relevance, but open > standards > are already at a huge disadvantage compared to proprietary > technologies > (and not for technical reasons). I feel that it is important that the > Web remain open, and part of that is ensuring that no one company > controls the languages of the Web. > > I'm not trying to censor this list, and I'm not going to block any > posts. I think that a fair and open discussion of SVG will include > some > comparison to competing technologies. It's important that SVG grow in > response to other technologies (as Silverlight derives heavily from > SVG). But it irritates me when people on this list recommend > abandoning > SVG, in favor of proprietary competitors. It's FUD, and it's not > polite. > > A more constructive activity would be to identify what features of > those > corporate technologies you find compelling, and ask for comparable > features to be added to SVG on [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:www-svg% > 40w3.org> > (the W3C's public SVG > list, which the SVG WG monitors for feedback). Also, you can appeal > directly to browser vendors (or even contribute code, e.g. to Mozilla > and Batik), and let them know you need particular SVG features (I > think > that the Mozilla Corp could use some encouragement to add resources to > SVG, for example). > > It's always an individual choice whether to do the Right Thing > (tm), or > to let corporate interests take control (and frankly, sometimes you > have > no choice, out of pragmatism); but the sum of those individual choices > determines the landscape of the Web, and the degree to which it relies > on open standards. Sorry if that sounds all preachy, but it's how I > feel, and why I think SVG is more important than any similar corporate > equivalent. > > If the technical difference were more pronounced, I might feel > differently. But for most purposes, SVG is as good as its more > tightly-controlled cousins. I think the big difference is in authoring > tool support, and there is something that can be done about that. > > I'm sure you can understand my perspective, and I hope you will honor > this request. > > </rant> > > Regards- > -Doug > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ----- > To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -or- > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit > my membership" > ---- > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ----- To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my membership" ---- Yahoo! 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