> On 09 Feb 2017, at 18:29, Cihat Gündüz via swift-evolution > <swift-evolution@swift.org> wrote: > > @Jan: Your arguments are very subjective if not even insulting and derogatory > to many people who invest a lot of time and effort in crafting those things > you despise so openly. Here are just a few example quotes for you to reflect > your language: > > "I despise fp“, „is so annoying“, "made Swift imo a worse language“, "I hate > ‚modern' or as I call it ugly“, "Today’s standards are a bag of pain“, > "crappy sites als Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Stackoverflow, add lots of > other 'cool' sites“, "I can’t stand scrolling“, "I hate both“, "todays > absolutely useless crap“, … > > Please be aware that this behavior is against the Code of Conduct of the > Swift Community. Let’s try to stay objective and justify different opinions > rationally instead of personally. Of course it is valid for you to say that > you don’t like FP or that you don’t like how the world is changing in > general. But please be aware that you have to add the reason why you think it > is so in detail, so we understand your thinking and can overcome changes to > the wrong direction. Senctences like „I despise FP“ without any explanation > are not a form of constructive feedback though, nobody will learn anything > from that kind of thing. Currently you’re merely expressing your anger here, > no more, no less.
I don’t think he did. He expressed his opinions rather forcefully, but we all tick different. He did not call anybody out specifically. And just because somebody spend a lot of time on something does not make it great. And maybe they need to hear it this way to “get the message”. Sugar coating can do a lot of harm. Btw: this does remind me of some of things I heard about a former -too early deceased- leader of apple... Rien. > > > @Jens: One of the biggest reasons I’m all for Discourse is the fact that it’s > open source. What this implies is: You know exactly what happens with the > data you save there, and, there is no dependency on a third-party service > which could change or even close over time. This is why I’m against > groups.io, GitHub Issues or any other non-open source solution. What it also > means is: If the open source tool we decided to go for (Discourse) doesn’t > have good support for emails yet, we can implement it ourselves, improve the > existing support or add a bridge to another open source tool that can deal > with that. > > -- > Cihat Gündüz > > Am 9. Februar 2017 um 15:59:33, Jan Neumüller via swift-evolution > (swift-evolution@swift.org) schrieb: > >> Well, if the community likes it so much. Have fun with it. I will leave as I >> have left the Developer Forums at Apple because they became unusable. >> >> >>> On 9 Feb 2017, at 15:17, Adrian Zubarev <adrian.zuba...@devandartist.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> The quote below made my day dear Swift friend as I might remind you that if >>> modern is associated with hate in your mind, then the modern programming >>> language called Swift would probably be a bad choice. >>> >>> >> I starting to think that myself. I was very active at the beginning of Swift >> (way before the open sourcing) but I absolutely don’t like the increasing >> influence of functional programming on it. I despise fp and don’t want it in >> Swift. If people want it that much use Haskell 8( >>> I might remind everyone that Discourse is open sourced and therefore tweaks >>> are possible. If you prefer a consistent font like on swift.org, than spell >>> it out and help to create a corner on the web where every Swiftier feels >>> right at home. >>> >>> >> I don’t think that Discourse is salvageable but go on. But I don’t know how >> one could rip out this big piece of JavaScript and keep ist functional. >>> Personally I’d prefer (if possible) that we’d remove profile pictures from >>> the forum and simply have only full names (colored?) + some kind of >>> annotation (e.g. Core Team, etc.). Profile pictures are only gimmicks that >>> does not contribute to anything at all. >>> >>> As Jan already said, the font (and font-size?) of the forum could match the >>> font from swift.org if possible. I wouldn’t mind and it’d make it a little >>> bit more alike. >>> >>> >> You don’t have to care for me - Swift 4 will be the deciding step if I throw >> any Swift work away and return to Objective-C. The heavy functional >> programming push since open sourcing is so annoying and made Swift imo a >> worse language. >> >> Jan >> _______________________________________________ >> swift-evolution mailing list >> swift-evolution@swift.org >> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution > _______________________________________________ > swift-evolution mailing list > swift-evolution@swift.org > https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution _______________________________________________ swift-evolution mailing list swift-evolution@swift.org https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-evolution
