> On Feb 9, 2017, at 09:30, Matthew Johnson via swift-users
> <swift-users@swift.org> wrote:
>
>
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Jens Alfke via swift-users
>>> <swift-users@swift.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 3:41 AM, Jan Neumüller via swift-users
>>> <swift-users@swift.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would prefer http://www.fudforum.org/ that has good mailing list support,
>>> too.
>>
>> Well, we appear to have completely opposite opinions on UI/usability. I took
>> a look at fudforum and yeah, to my eyes it exemplifies the awful clutter
>> that’s been a hallmark of web forums since before PHPBB. There’s so much
>> visual noise it’s very hard to parse or to find anything. Clearly designed
>> by a coder with a big hammer named “<table>”. I’m not a UI designer, but
>> I’ve worked extensively with UI designers (I spent 15 years at Apple working
>> on stuff like iChat and AppleScript) so I think I have some grounding in the
>> field.
>>
>> I do believe, though, that whatever solution swift.org switches to needs to
>> have good email support. That way the people who hate the web UI, or who
>> just don’t prefer to use the web for discussions, can keep using email as we
>> do today. This is perfectly feasible to do; again, groups.io is a good
>> example.
>>
>> Here my concern is that I have not found a way to configure Discourse to
>> make its email notifications work well as a substitute for a mailing list. I
>> have admin privileges on a Discourse installation run by my employer, so
>> I’ve looked through the entire admin UI for ways to improve the emails, and
>> some of the problems don’t seem fixable by tweaking settings.
>>
>> At this point I’m going to shut up because it sounds like the decision has
>> been made, and I don’t want to contribute to further bike-shedding.
>
> I’ve been mostly silent in this conversation largely because I didn’t realize
> it was leading up to a formal decision. I wish it would have followed the
> proposal process so it was clear to everyone that a decision was being
> considered and this was our chance to offer input.
>
> I really like the experience of participating in the community via email. If
> I knew a decision was being seriously considered I would have taken a closer
> look at Discourse and likely offered more input. I will be disappointed if
> the experience of participating is not at least as good as it is using email.
I'm pretty sure that Discourse's mailing list support is why so many people
suggested it.
- Dave Sweeris
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