Easy explained - The problem rises indeed not from the added features but from the fp group that imposes it’s usage in the Standard libraries and “the swifty way”. I like many features of Swift (or I wouldn’t be here) but I don’t want to live in Haskel world. And for some reason these guys become more and more influential in the community.
> On 9 Feb 2017, at 19:30, mshea...@me.com wrote: > > I have a simple question along this line: How does expanding the capabilities > of Swift detract or impair its use in a fully OO manner? From what I have > seen, if you want to use it in a strictly OO manner, great! If you want to > use it in a strictly functional manner, no problem. If you want to use it in > hybrid mode, go for it. > > Giving developers the flexibility to code in the manner they are most > comfortable with can only improve creativity and productivity. It also > improves the appeal of the language to others. > > Unless, of course, I am missing something here. > > On Feb 9, 2017, 1:09 PM -0500, Jan Neumüller via swift-users > <swift-users@swift.org>, wrote: >> This is just for explanation. I have given up for the content, the world >> does move in this direction and I can’t stop it. >> >>> On 9 Feb 2017, at 18:29, Cihat Gündüz <cihatguend...@posteo.de >>> <mailto:cihatguend...@posteo.de>> wrote: >>> >>> @Jan: Your arguments are very subjective if not even insulting and >>> derogatory to many people who invest a lot of time and effort in crafting >>> those things you despise so openly. Here are just a few example quotes for >>> you to reflect your language: >>> >>> "I despise fp“, „is so annoying“, "made Swift imo a worse language“, "I >>> hate ‚modern' or as I call it ugly“, "Today >>> <http://airmail.calendar/2017-02-09%2012:00:00%20MEZ>’s standards are a bag >>> of pain“, "crappy sites als Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Stackoverflow, >>> add lots of other 'cool' sites“, "I can’t stand scrolling“, "I hate both“, >>> "todays absolutely useless crap“, … >> >> FP: I think many coders hate it with a passion, a fact fans of fp don’t >> generally like. For me it’s the total brain breaking “logic” behind FP and >> lambda calculus. I started programming with assembly on mos6502 and took >> most languages since then. There is one family I never got my brain wrapped >> around it as it works against the complete working of my brain: functional >> programming. >> >> And yes I think the push for more fp elements made Swift a worse language. >> How is that an attack? >> >> How should I call stuff that induces eye strain and headaches from usage? >> Todays modern web technics most often lead to imo totally bad websites that >> are a clearly worse then most sites before the web 2.0 hype. Sorry if I am >> to direct as a german but dancing around topics is a waste of time. >> >> >>> Please be aware that this behavior is against the Code of Conduct >>> <https://swift.org/community/#code-of-conduct> of the Swift Community. >>> Let’s try to stay objective and justify different opinions rationally >>> instead of personally. Of course it is valid for you to say that you don’t >>> like FP or that you don’t like how the world is changing in general. But >>> please be aware that you have to add the reason why you think it is so in >>> detail, so we understand your thinking and can overcome changes to the >>> wrong direction. Senctences like „I despise FP“ without any explanation are >>> not a form of constructive feedback though, nobody will learn anything from >>> that kind of thing. Currently you’re merely expressing your anger here, no >>> more, no less. >> >> Anger? And there is no reason after gotten steamrolled by evolution on this >> discussion by simply NOT ASKING US (Swift-Users) and simply presented a >> decision? Should we be happy that a part of the community sees itself >> apparently as more important then the rest? Of course I’m angry after such >> actions - who wouldn’t? >> >> >>> @Jens: One of the biggest reasons I’m all for Discourse is the fact that >>> it’s open source. What this implies is: You know exactly what happens with >>> the data you save there, and, there is no dependency on a third-party >>> service which could change or even close over time. This is why I’m against >>> groups.io <http://groups.io/>, GitHub Issues or any other non-open source >>> solution. What it also means is: If the open source tool we decided to go >>> for (Discourse) doesn’t have good support for emails yet, we can implement >>> it ourselves, improve the existing support or add a bridge to another open >>> source tool that can deal with that. >> >> Sadly Discourse stands under a license that makes contributing a nogo for >> many. As a BSD dev I NEVER would put any of my code under GPL. This is a >> thing we should not forget - fitting licenses. >> >> Jan_______________________________________________ >> swift-users mailing list >> swift-users@swift.org >> https://lists.swift.org/mailman/listinfo/swift-users
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